To prefer one in honor to another, to exalt certain ones above the rest, is in no wise to be permitted. (Baha’u’llah)
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Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders
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Ironic.
Step back and listen to yourself for a minute.
"Other religions are correct to the extent that they agree with mine... and the parts of those religions that I have deemed valid are all in agreement!"
From my own research I have found Christ and the Bible to be from God and true like many other religions. But we live in a competitive world instead of a cooperative one where religions compete with one another instead of working together.
I think over time, as people become free from indoctrination and brainwashing, they will cease to be prejudiced and see truth in all religions and people not just their own. But becoming mentally and spiritually mature can take centuries.
They are your own words not mine. Religion is in two parts. The spiritual teachings which is about virtues and good character which all religions teach and the other part is the social laws such as diet, marriage and divorce and punishment for crimes.
I agree with the Holy Books of all religions but even followers of the same religion interpret their scriptures differently to others of the same religion and split into sects. So who’s to say who is right and who is wrong?
So far I have observed that the interpretations of religious leaders has led to religions hating and despising one another, going to war even and shunning one another.
Baha’u’llah’s interpretation on the other hand states that all religions are divine in origin and all teach truth and we must accept them all.
So we accept Moses, Christ, Buddha, Krishna and Muhammad as Equal. They all teach beautiful spiritual truths and values. Only Their social laws differ according to the needs of the age.
You, of course.
But you don't accept them all.
If you accepted Christianity, you'd be Christian, not Baha'i. If you accepted Islam, you'd be Muslim, not Baha'i.
Your religion is just another division. Your rhetoric about "accepting them all" is just a marketing ploy to make proselytizing to members of other religions a bit easier.
The Christians co-opted Judaism, took elements of it, and created a new religion.
The Muslims co-opted Judaism and Christianity, took elements of them, and created a new religion.
The Baha'i faith is just the latest example of this trend. Your particular brand of religious sectarianism is no less divisive than any of the others.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
And of course you went into your study of all the Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish and Christian Scriptures completely unbiased? And which Hindu and Buddhist Scriptures did you study? All of them or just some of them or just parts of some of them?
Yet you thnk that born-again Christians are wrong in taking some things in the Bible and NT too literally. If it's not "literally" true, then how do you know what is true about it? How did you determine what the "true" symbolic meaning of an event or verse really was?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Yes, when pinned down what we find out is that they don't really believe any of the other religions teach or practice the real truth. They say that most all of them have lost or changed or misinterpreted the original teachings of their prophet. But, lucky us, they tell us what they all believed. And astoundingly, it matches right up with Baha'i beliefs. Now that is amazing.
Until I learned a little about Islam, I didn't realize how much the Baha'i Faith borrows from it. But what do any of them really borrow from Hinduism and Buddhism? It's too easy for them to point to things like "They all teach the virtues and about loving your neighbor" and say that they all taught the same message.
But in a way that's true, I guess. They each just package it in a different way and try to resell it to people. And reselling it to people always worked because the previous religion was doing such a bad job at getting people to really live by those teachings. So, the new religion tells us why the other ones failed, and how they will be able to be successful.
I don't think that is the same what Jesus says. But, why do you believe it was written about 400BCE?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
When family can say we are family and our virtues hence are proven similar.
It's not a teaching.. its not religion... it's a natural life reminder.
If a human purports I have been involved in supernatural feats. So have a lot of other humans.
Then basic human reason is involved.
What common shared circumstances did those human men exhibit in a bio human life. That proves it happened as just a man in a bio human life. As many men had a similar human experience.
As it's living humans talking about it. If one man can have the experience then so can any man the proof.
The same as women humans.
The other advice is obviously scientific inferences said by non scientists.
As guess what ...science is an exact practice. Machines. Or machines communicating to machines. That just happened to interfere with humans also.
As we aren't machines they were using our heavens. Heavens change so does bio life said the laws. The heavens a legal term was holy for biology supported bio cell chemical as good health.
The teachings.
It's not a teaching.. its not religion... it's a natural life reminder.
If a human purports I have been involved in supernatural feats. So have a lot of other humans.
Then basic human reason is involved.
What common shared circumstances did those human men exhibit in a bio human life. That proves it happened as just a man in a bio human life. As many men had a similar human experience.
As it's living humans talking about it. If one man can have the experience then so can any man the proof.
The same as women humans.
The other advice is obviously scientific inferences said by non scientists.
As guess what ...science is an exact practice. Machines. Or machines communicating to machines. That just happened to interfere with humans also.
As we aren't machines they were using our heavens. Heavens change so does bio life said the laws. The heavens a legal term was holy for biology supported bio cell chemical as good health.
The teachings.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is due to the fact that Jesus is God in the flesh and the others are not despite what is claimed.
I believe the idea about Satan is the matter of not being for us means you are against us. It can also be seen as a belief that supplants belief in Jesus.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the B man was sincere but lacking in complete understanding. It is possible that Krishna was practicing deception when he claimed to be an incarnation of God but understandably such a claim aids credibility which may have been his goal.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do believe people of other religions are capable of self deception.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
We are all born babies.
The adult human baby self is the adult indoctrinator.
Proven.
Where a humans using consciousness says they are their own science quotes. As if humans represent science bodies the warning. Is exact.
Self possession in your mind. False preached beliefs. Self Idolating when all humans in natural law are mutual.
Civilisation all false pretend values idols.
The teaching Gods earth was sealed to keep life safe.
Seal meant only inside gods body carpenter tectonic body term were the earthquake as was gods energy body sacrificed released. From plates....caused by constant heavens pressure changes.
Seeing blasting ejecting forth in pressures was law mountain once a volcano. Had stopped. In laws space pressures balancing mass cooling.
That science advice says earth is not stable.
So other scientists said it is a Relativity advice. Life lives saved in a stable heavens condition. Relativity advice to all men.
About earths mass its history of attacked body mass changes. Dont copy the warning pressure change the warning.
Rome knew they'd activated a Four day earthquake body of god carpenter tectonic release. By science effects. Day went dark and mother space womb took it away. Pressures law.
Vacuum void.
Science by a man thinking seal is the past then unseal of the past...laws displaced the one correct word a mother. As a mother's womb from human ownership to science.
Space is space only.
Why his mind is possessed today by believing space was his human mother. Where he said his life began as the actual types of gas spirit masses. An actual lie.
The Christ wisdom was a review of who was or were Satanists. As thinkers. And what conditions weren't wise by any human statement.
Indoctri....nation ...never gave newly born innocent babies a right to think for themselves.
Yet once consciousness was free will as was mother father two babies life's. No indoctrinations.
So if a human says I am wiser than my brother's of the past. Id say no man is God.
I would..I will I'd..ID I think and I identified.
Where in their past men proved they believed they were the Gods. Human pictographs show that belief.
Animal headed human bodies. Humans with weird science like hats.
Telling a story how humans were the proven head mind thinkers against life in natural orders. As each one presence. Holy life rights to self exist in any one natural bodies.
So any gas that had once volcanic arose in laws science status was space womb stretched vacuum voided a long time ago. So heavens gas types only biology owned as life's supported mass.
CH arose gases were by law only formed once in the heavens.
When men tried to copy the gas they forced coloured chemicals to heat erupt out of the rock.
Flowing like water. As water was pressurised released out of rocks mass said scientists.
Whose huge hole dug research knew upper crust temperatures cool compared to deeper earth.
We proved ourselves wrong.
As the heavens formed mass spirit gases eventually changed. As a volcano the same body type that begin laws only then spewed out toxic gases poisonous gas into the same heavens position. Relativity.
The teaching.
Law space pressure womb conceived presences of spirit gases that Rock and space had never pre owned.
Legal.
Laws.
Wisdom.
Reasoned after all life including carbon wood mass burnt. By men looking back theorising science terms.
Biology owns no comparison to any one substance. Legal status no man is God a God the God or was wise to break earths seals.
Pretty obvious why humans said no man is God.
Seeing no human is wood or a garden type in biology. Animals by two in biology no human is present in body types. Biology rooted in the ground itself mass of it underground as biology itself.
Proving it owns no dust or Rock mass underground comparisons. As biology itself is side by side with mass types ....no man is God.
Wisdom no man is God.
So yes the Christ revelations no man is God was wiser. Taught against any type of perverted human changed family parent conscious behaviours.
As it led to human massacre without guilt. To child abused sex...to satanic ritual murder of obscene minds.
The very reason why law was determined harsh as evil minded humans were taking over life just as they are again.
Expressing no remorse or guilt for abuses against everything.
The adult human baby self is the adult indoctrinator.
Proven.
Where a humans using consciousness says they are their own science quotes. As if humans represent science bodies the warning. Is exact.
Self possession in your mind. False preached beliefs. Self Idolating when all humans in natural law are mutual.
Civilisation all false pretend values idols.
The teaching Gods earth was sealed to keep life safe.
Seal meant only inside gods body carpenter tectonic body term were the earthquake as was gods energy body sacrificed released. From plates....caused by constant heavens pressure changes.
Seeing blasting ejecting forth in pressures was law mountain once a volcano. Had stopped. In laws space pressures balancing mass cooling.
That science advice says earth is not stable.
So other scientists said it is a Relativity advice. Life lives saved in a stable heavens condition. Relativity advice to all men.
About earths mass its history of attacked body mass changes. Dont copy the warning pressure change the warning.
Rome knew they'd activated a Four day earthquake body of god carpenter tectonic release. By science effects. Day went dark and mother space womb took it away. Pressures law.
Vacuum void.
Science by a man thinking seal is the past then unseal of the past...laws displaced the one correct word a mother. As a mother's womb from human ownership to science.
Space is space only.
Why his mind is possessed today by believing space was his human mother. Where he said his life began as the actual types of gas spirit masses. An actual lie.
The Christ wisdom was a review of who was or were Satanists. As thinkers. And what conditions weren't wise by any human statement.
Indoctri....nation ...never gave newly born innocent babies a right to think for themselves.
Yet once consciousness was free will as was mother father two babies life's. No indoctrinations.
So if a human says I am wiser than my brother's of the past. Id say no man is God.
I would..I will I'd..ID I think and I identified.
Where in their past men proved they believed they were the Gods. Human pictographs show that belief.
Animal headed human bodies. Humans with weird science like hats.
Telling a story how humans were the proven head mind thinkers against life in natural orders. As each one presence. Holy life rights to self exist in any one natural bodies.
So any gas that had once volcanic arose in laws science status was space womb stretched vacuum voided a long time ago. So heavens gas types only biology owned as life's supported mass.
CH arose gases were by law only formed once in the heavens.
When men tried to copy the gas they forced coloured chemicals to heat erupt out of the rock.
Flowing like water. As water was pressurised released out of rocks mass said scientists.
Whose huge hole dug research knew upper crust temperatures cool compared to deeper earth.
We proved ourselves wrong.
As the heavens formed mass spirit gases eventually changed. As a volcano the same body type that begin laws only then spewed out toxic gases poisonous gas into the same heavens position. Relativity.
The teaching.
Law space pressure womb conceived presences of spirit gases that Rock and space had never pre owned.
Legal.
Laws.
Wisdom.
Reasoned after all life including carbon wood mass burnt. By men looking back theorising science terms.
Biology owns no comparison to any one substance. Legal status no man is God a God the God or was wise to break earths seals.
Pretty obvious why humans said no man is God.
Seeing no human is wood or a garden type in biology. Animals by two in biology no human is present in body types. Biology rooted in the ground itself mass of it underground as biology itself.
Proving it owns no dust or Rock mass underground comparisons. As biology itself is side by side with mass types ....no man is God.
Wisdom no man is God.
So yes the Christ revelations no man is God was wiser. Taught against any type of perverted human changed family parent conscious behaviours.
As it led to human massacre without guilt. To child abused sex...to satanic ritual murder of obscene minds.
The very reason why law was determined harsh as evil minded humans were taking over life just as they are again.
Expressing no remorse or guilt for abuses against everything.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
As humans lie.
Behaviour. Self destructive.
My mother used to put soap on my tongue or mustard. To teach me don't swear and don't lie. It worked. It was abusive but it worked.
LiFe is human owned.
To li...E. was about why life was hurt attacked Sacrificed whilst living inside a holy heavens.
All bodies attacked including earths sealed mass.
Just so men don't idolate now claiming it just happened..phenomena only to my life body. Lying.
As the thinker who caused it...baby adult man himself. Self destructive human choice against self existence.
To look back theorise.
A baby man life sacrificed conscious theist scientific beginnings he eradicated. Out of his owned used brain mind.
Science says religious science theists are not theorising science.
Church healer medical builders and owners...were not theist scientists.
Medical reasons for type a building resonating as building was by sound vibration oiled for medical healing of cell blood bodies ...as oils enter blood stream...incense Smell healings.
Testimony was legal on shut book oath to now only tell the truth. No reading inciting or false preaching.....science.
No false theorising being science. No pulpit as intellectual preaching false science. No science branch. It was medical...the truth.
Baby man lied.
As adult baby now said first my own father was a virgin. I hence am not wrong I'm immaculate. As first he hadn't had sex. To be informed only about first human.
A father can never be a virgin.
Was his beginning lie looking back again about science. Why his body was sacrificed. How it was perpetrated false equal human advices.
As father's holy human spiritual memory was pure. As compared to his theist man baby adult science lies.
How he false idolated self.
So men knew don't give support of false Idolating to any man claiming leadership.
As stone ark earth was the natural ark. Where living garden... animals and humans lived aboard it.
Is the correct ark review gods ship. Earth rock stone.
It's real that men of science lied about their wood ark. As only men built temples using designs of wood and rock squares. Building. Why carpentry named trusses King angles etc.
Human science built temple wood ark.
No animals inside. Just theist men with vats Alchemy batteries for machines. Who had theoried against all biology about earths mass seals.
As the mind inside their temple ark first human position. Life's destroyer.
As the temple building was a part of scientific design using building structures as the pyramid proves. The structure of the buildings had been involved.
It's why history of the stone masonry has evil satanisms practiced in its beliefs. As man's choices.
Legal. Governing by mutual fair trade and families health and living standards. Was sharing of the common wealth. Which had began its evolution into its manifesting human choices....beliefs and support.
As consciousness developed less hierarchial orders that had existed and family life was being considered worthy in social structures for self gain self support by toil yet payment.
Payments that once they had been denied. As slavery.
Therefore humans whose ideas assisted families gain were given rewards. Only because their identified mutual family supported outcomes were honest.
Employment now introduced a means test of the human psyche. So that only humans who believed in the trading benefits of organisation were supported.
Which should be enjoyed in every socially organised group involved in families gain back to mutual equality...with no one losing anything but past lying abuses.
Is the given aware mutually owned human races conscious advice.
Ours expressed mutually as we live.
Behaviour. Self destructive.
My mother used to put soap on my tongue or mustard. To teach me don't swear and don't lie. It worked. It was abusive but it worked.
LiFe is human owned.
To li...E. was about why life was hurt attacked Sacrificed whilst living inside a holy heavens.
All bodies attacked including earths sealed mass.
Just so men don't idolate now claiming it just happened..phenomena only to my life body. Lying.
As the thinker who caused it...baby adult man himself. Self destructive human choice against self existence.
To look back theorise.
A baby man life sacrificed conscious theist scientific beginnings he eradicated. Out of his owned used brain mind.
Science says religious science theists are not theorising science.
Church healer medical builders and owners...were not theist scientists.
Medical reasons for type a building resonating as building was by sound vibration oiled for medical healing of cell blood bodies ...as oils enter blood stream...incense Smell healings.
Testimony was legal on shut book oath to now only tell the truth. No reading inciting or false preaching.....science.
No false theorising being science. No pulpit as intellectual preaching false science. No science branch. It was medical...the truth.
Baby man lied.
As adult baby now said first my own father was a virgin. I hence am not wrong I'm immaculate. As first he hadn't had sex. To be informed only about first human.
A father can never be a virgin.
Was his beginning lie looking back again about science. Why his body was sacrificed. How it was perpetrated false equal human advices.
As father's holy human spiritual memory was pure. As compared to his theist man baby adult science lies.
How he false idolated self.
So men knew don't give support of false Idolating to any man claiming leadership.
As stone ark earth was the natural ark. Where living garden... animals and humans lived aboard it.
Is the correct ark review gods ship. Earth rock stone.
It's real that men of science lied about their wood ark. As only men built temples using designs of wood and rock squares. Building. Why carpentry named trusses King angles etc.
Human science built temple wood ark.
No animals inside. Just theist men with vats Alchemy batteries for machines. Who had theoried against all biology about earths mass seals.
As the mind inside their temple ark first human position. Life's destroyer.
As the temple building was a part of scientific design using building structures as the pyramid proves. The structure of the buildings had been involved.
It's why history of the stone masonry has evil satanisms practiced in its beliefs. As man's choices.
Legal. Governing by mutual fair trade and families health and living standards. Was sharing of the common wealth. Which had began its evolution into its manifesting human choices....beliefs and support.
As consciousness developed less hierarchial orders that had existed and family life was being considered worthy in social structures for self gain self support by toil yet payment.
Payments that once they had been denied. As slavery.
Therefore humans whose ideas assisted families gain were given rewards. Only because their identified mutual family supported outcomes were honest.
Employment now introduced a means test of the human psyche. So that only humans who believed in the trading benefits of organisation were supported.
Which should be enjoyed in every socially organised group involved in families gain back to mutual equality...with no one losing anything but past lying abuses.
Is the given aware mutually owned human races conscious advice.
Ours expressed mutually as we live.
You, of course.
But you don't accept them all.
If you accepted Christianity, you'd be Christian, not Baha'i. If you accepted Islam, you'd be Muslim, not Baha'i.
Your religion is just another division. Your rhetoric about "accepting them all" is just a marketing ploy to make proselytizing to members of other religions a bit easier.
The Christians co-opted Judaism, took elements of it, and created a new religion.
The Muslims co-opted Judaism and Christianity, took elements of them, and created a new religion.
The Baha'i faith is just the latest example of this trend. Your particular brand of religious sectarianism is no less divisive than any of the others.
Not if the Bible spoke about Muhammad and Baha’u’llah which I am convinced it does. To me to be a true Christian means to accept everything. God has revealed no just the bits and pieces which I like. So in the Bible, I found references to Mohammed and Baha’u’llah and so as a Christian, I accepted what the Bible says. For me to deny Them would be to blaspheme against the Bible.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
The "truth" from God reflecting off each of these divine messengers like the rays of the Sun reflecting off a perfectly polished mirror is a common Baha'i analogy. Trouble is... the rays of the Sun don't contradict each other. But the different supposedly divine messengers do contradict each other. So, what are they reflecting? I think it's just ideas and concepts about the Gods that their culture either borrowed or invented. Baha'is, I would hope, do believe that some beliefs about God and the Gods are false and made up by people. I've never heard a Baha'i say that the Egyptian or Aztec concepts of God and religion were true.
Dates vary. My point is that Krishna stated it well before Jesus said a similar thing. If Jesus is unique so too is Krishna and all the other Messengers. None are superior to one another.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Yeah, let's see those references. I suspect one of them will be the "Three Woes" in Revelation. And you "found" them, or you were told about them in the Baha'i writings? I doubt very much that reading Revelation in context that a person would say... "Ah, that first Woe sure sounds like it is describing Muhammad."
Brian2
Veteran Member
Yes Jesus is the one sent by God, the Son of God and superior to any Baha'i Messenger, even superior to the Jesus of Baha'i interpretation. God's plan is to unite all things in Christ, and that means Jesus (Ephesians 1:10 ) Baha'u'llah brings nothing new and cannot do the things that the Messiah is supposed to do,,,,,,,,,,, except interpret those things away with allegory.
What do you mean by God in the flesh? I believe in what the Bible teaches that …..
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (Luke 4:24)
So if you’re saying that Christ was filled with the Holy Spirit then I agree but God is Spirit not flesh.