Is Christianity logical?

[columbus]

"Immune to sin" - that can be only those who were "immune to free will".

I see no reason to believe that.
Perfect would include "knows enough about the destruction caused by sin to know not to do it".
In other words, having all the relevant information to make the right choice is REQUIRED to have free will. Only Almighty God has that information. Obviously.
Tom

 

[Pudding]

"Immune to sin" - that can be only those who were "immune to free will".

You mean his definition of "perfect" doesn't including the "immunity to sin"?

What does "immune to free will" mean?

 

[Pudding]

Self help generally means working on character flaws. Working towards omnipotence or omniciensce is the task of education.

Why do you think "working towards omnipotence or omniciensce is the task of education"?

Although i'm not born omnipotence and omniscience, my desire to getting education/knowledge do not have the goal to make me become omnipotence and omniciensce.

I explore knowledge because knowledge is useful, not because i want to become omnipotence and omniscience.

 

[Skwim]

Self help generally means working on character flaws. Working towards omnipotence or omniciensce is the task of education.

So you believe that omnipotence or omniscience can be attained through education. How odd. Got any examples of this happening?

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[Brandywine]

I don't think the question mean anything. Are bananas logical?

 

[WINDINWATERS]

This is a spinoff from the thread "Is Religion Logical."

I believe that I would prefer to address the central message of Christianity but I recognize that there are a lot of ancillary aspects of the religion as well.

I believe it is logical to seek a higher power to do what one can't do for oneself.

Christianity is only logical if you are a believer in blood sacrifice, Christianity is the number one Baal blood sacrificial cult of this planet

 

[shunyadragon]

I consider traditional Christianity the most irrational and illogical than most religions, because it results in cultural meld of ancient mythical Babylonian/Canaanite/Ugarite Genesis, and Roman/Hellenist mythology to come up with the 'Fall,' 'Original Sin' as inherited sin, the necessity of the Noah Flood, and the purpose of Jesus as a sacrifice based on ancient mythical beliefs in the purpose of animal sacrifice, necessitates the sacrifice of Jesus to absolve the sins of humanity with this ultimate sacrifice to absolve the sins of humanity, though only those who sincerely believe. This results in a Resurrection Death cult, which results in contemporary Christianity.

This melding of ancient mythology with Roman/Hellenist mythology results in a non-rational and illogical religion, which results in an intense circular reasoning to justify its beliefs.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't think the question mean anything. Are bananas logical?

Yes, if bananas are proposed as the purpose and meaning of the Divine origin and nature of our physical existence 'that would be irrational and illogical' (note added).

 

[Muffled]

A terrible knock-off that steal Holidays and names from Pagan and the rest from Judaism. Still, Jesus has demonstrated some level of power according to lore, which means the Christian God is either a spirit who decides to become a god, or a being born out of mortal belief that predates Judaism, as 'Yahweh' has popped up over 3 thousand years ago in some Pagan religion who has a wife that is way more powerful than him.

I believe none of what you said is logical.

 

[Muffled]

Many messages but moreso than any that we are corrupted by sin. Every other religion or philosophy seems to have hope of fixing that problem in this lifetime. Christianity says the only way is death and resurrection.

I believe that is false. Christianity means that Jesus eliminates our sin daily. Nothing fixes the problem very well. Basically our spirits need to learn not to sin and that can take a long time.

 

[Muffled]

How is that even logical? Sounds cheesy to me. How is Christianity not imitation of Buddhism?

I believe you are questioning the premise not the logic.

I believe it takes a cessation of will to keep us from sin.
Jesus can enter in and it will be His will being done.
Conclusion: Jesus saves from sin.

I believe you can look at the logic I posted and see if it has holes in it.

I believe there are a great number of differences and no scripture reports any relationship to Buddhism.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

This is a spinoff from the thread "Is Religion Logical."

I believe that I would prefer to address the central message of Christianity but I recognize that there are a lot of ancillary aspects of the religion as well.

I believe it is logical to seek a higher power to do what one can't do for oneself.

Depends I suppose. Certainly Christians who deny scientific facts like evolution and plate tectonics are illogical.

 

[sovietchild]

I believe you are questioning the premise not the logic.

I believe it takes a cessation of will to keep us from sin.
Jesus can enter in and it will be His will being done.
Conclusion: Jesus saves from sin.

I believe you can look at the logic I posted and see if it has holes in it.

I believe there are a great number of differences and no scripture reports any relationship to Buddhism.

Early Christians were aware of Buddhism, which was practiced in both the Greek and Roman Empires. So, the chances are early Christians mixed Abraham religion with Buddhism.

 

[Kemosloby]

I believe that is false. Christianity means that Jesus eliminates our sin daily. Nothing fixes the problem very well. Basically our spirits need to learn not to sin and that can take a long time.

I believe that is false. Everything we do is just symbolic of the real fix. Death of the mortal body of sin and resurrection into the glory of the resurrected body.

 

[Muffled]

I believe that is false. Everything we do is just symbolic of the real fix. Death of the mortal body of sin and resurrection into the glory of the resurrected body.

I believe that works for a time but if God returns the world to a temporal age then those whose sins were removed for The Kingdom of God will go right back to sin unless they have learned not to sin.

 

[Muffled]

Early Christians were aware of Buddhism, which was practiced in both the Greek and Roman Empires. So, the chances are early Christians mixed Abraham religion with Buddhism.

I believe without any supporting evidence the odds are vastly against it.

 

[Muffled]

Depends I suppose. Certainly Christians who deny scientific facts like evolution and plate tectonics are illogical.

I don't believe I have ever met a Christian who denies that tectonic plates exist.

I believe evolution is not a fact except in the imaginations of those who wish it to be. Evolution has facts but the interpretation of those facts certainly can be questioned. It is illogical to assume that science automatically makes everything scientists say correct. The number of times they have had to admit they were wrong should relieve one of that delusion.

 

[Kemosloby]

I believe that works for a time but if God returns the world to a temporal age then those whose sins were removed for The Kingdom of God will go right back to sin unless they have learned not to sin.

Have you ever heard the saying "the devil made me do it", And the scripture that says, "It is not I who sins but sin which dwells within me". I get the impression "that which dwells within a person" is removed by death and resurrection, freeing them from sin in a most literal way, something which one cannot learn to do, while sins dwells within them it will always trip them up.

 

[Muffled]

Have you ever heard the saying "the devil made me do it", And the scripture that says, "It is not I who sins but sin which dwells within me". I get the impression "that which dwells within a person" is removed by death and resurrection, freeing them from sin in a most literal way, something which one cannot learn to do, while sins dwells within them it will always trip them up.

I believe this works the same way it did for Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. His physical mind did not want to suffer and die but His spirit (The Spirit of God) was willing. For Paul his physical mind did not want to sin but his spirit wasn't cooperating. So after death and the spirit moves on, that same sinfulness goes with the spirit until the spirit learns to not sin.

I believe you should not go by feeling but by facts.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

How can it be logical? Didn't Jesus walked this earth and ate food like regular people? Does God need to consume energy? I don't think so.

That sounds more pathetic than logical. Now if you said, it seems logical to believe in religion if you recognize it's message as truth, That would be logical.

Jesus was God in a mans body. Not fully God and not fully human. He was an atemporal being in a temporal shell with all the wants desires and needs or a regular human. In Christianity God very rarely visits our universe 'as himself' (a supernatural being). I know the bible fairly well and I can only think of two or three times God came to our temporal world as a spirit or supernatural being.. Of course you would have known that if you were not ignorant of the basic facts of what you attempt to criticize . Kem___ Does that sound a bit harsh? 'An eye for an eye' is a good saying even if taken out of context and I did take artistic licenses with it, sorry Jesus. And many of the other 'replies' can be covered the following; 'Its wrong to judge peoples standards that lived in the distant past with our modern standards!' In fact it's simple Christianity bashing ie using the forum just as an excuse to insult the religious and our religion. The rest of the critical replies are not much better. They are hate speech masquerading as debate with some bigotry thrown in....

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