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Well, Christmas trees are relics of non-Christian mid-winter festivals. Is this what you mean? These festivals are syncretic holidays that are older then any "pure Christian" Christmas.
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- Thread starter Riders
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Well, Christmas trees are relics of non-Christian mid-winter festivals. Is this what you mean? These festivals are syncretic holidays that are older then any "pure Christian" Christmas.
Augustus
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No they are not (well at least there is no evidence that suggests they are)
They appeared in the 16th C and didn't really become popular until the 18th/19th C.
This is a bit too late for them to be "ancient pagan traditions".
Those that believe in Christ can choose to celebrate his birth day around the time of the winter solstice for the symbolic reason that in the Northern Hemisphere increasing darkness has started to turn into increasing light. They may choose to use symbols of paganism that reflect the same love of light.
Personally that's fine with me. I am not interested in disputes about his birthday, the use of pagan symbolism and the like. People should honor what they believe in and what works for them.
And lest we forget Mediaeval mystery plays using the Tree of Knowledge.
Ah, it's that time of year again.
Every ****ing year. Lol
Augustus
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Not unless you want to take the side of Protestant fundamentalists in a sectarian dispute.
The Easter/Halloween/Christmas is pagan tropes began as Protestant anti-Catholic polemics.
The "pagans" were those idolatrous Catholics engaging in their superstitious popery
Augustus
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Augustus
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The Olmecs/Mayans/etc pioneered chocolate. All chocolate is pagan, and eating chocolate makes you an apologist for slavery and human sacrifice
Chocolate should be cancelled or at least decolonised
The Olmecs/Mayans/etc pioneered chocolate. All chocolate is pagan, and eating chocolate makes you an apologist for slavery and human sacrifice
Chocolate should be cancelled or at least decolonised
I only eat Milky Way chocolate because it's the only atheist chocolate that has a scientific name.
Augustus
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Galaxy is also atheist chocolate and even defines atheism as "the belief no gods exist" and argues about it on internet forums.
Why do you make the same threads about this every single year? Are you that obsessed with this question? It's never been answered for you? Well, you're not going to hear anything new as it's all been said, so what's the point?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I'm so tired of this, every damn year.
Yes but both of these are owned by a company called Mars, which is obviously Pagan.
Galaxy is also atheist chocolate and even defines atheism as "the belief no gods exist" and argues about it on internet forums.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
No.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
To be fair, that's because you're evil.
Psalm23
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I see it more as tradition and a time where there is often a tendency to spend too much.
I don't know whether Paganism had any influence on Christmas, but I've always wondered whether Judaism may have had some influence on the choice of the 25th day of December.
Because the first day (not first evening) of Chanukah falls on the 25th of the Hebrew month of Kislev.
Christmas Eve and the first evening (eve') of Chanukah each fall on the 24th day of their respective months.
Coincidence? Or deliberate?
Because the first day (not first evening) of Chanukah falls on the 25th of the Hebrew month of Kislev.
Christmas Eve and the first evening (eve') of Chanukah each fall on the 24th day of their respective months.
Coincidence? Or deliberate?
Augustus
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Queen Charlotte is now more famous for the most ridiculous attempt to force fit modern diversity paradigms into European history
Was this Britain's first black queen?
Hold on, you might be saying. Britain has had a black queen? Did I miss something? Surely Helen Mirren played Charlotte in the film The Madness of King George and she was, last time I looked, white? Yet the theory that Queen Charlotte may have been black, albeit sketchy, is nonetheless one that is gaining currency.
If you google Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, you'll quickly come across a historian called Mario de Valdes y Cocom. He argues that her features, as seen in royal portraits, were conspicuously African, and contends that they were noted by numerous contemporaries. He claims that the queen, though German, was directly descended from a black branch of the Portuguese royal family, related to Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman nine generations removed, whose ancestry she traces from the 13th-century ruler Alfonso III and his lover Madragana, whom Valdes takes to have been a Moor and thus a black African.
Stuart Jeffries: Was the consort of George III Britain's first black queen?
Even if we ignore the fact that Moors were more commonly North Africans, the ancestor who *might* have been moorish was fifteen generations ago. So there is a *possibility* that she is 1/65536th North African or black