Secret Chief
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Er, that would be Easter.
No ****, Sherlock!
I was just riffing on the "merged, intersected, and borrowed" comment from @Debater Slayer
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No ****, Sherlock!
I was just riffing on the "merged, intersected, and borrowed" comment from @Debater Slayer
exchemist
Veteran Member
Aha so it was indeed introduced to Britain from Germany but by the wife of George III.
And in Germany it started in the c.17th, as a Lutheran idea.
Good. That puts the tin hat on that, then.
exchemist
Veteran Member
That's all good then.No ****, Sherlock!
I was just riffing on the "merged, intersected, and borrowed" comment from @Debater Slayer
There's a lot of riffing going on in forums at the moment. There was a bloke the other day riffing on the different temperature scales, on one of the other forums I subscribe to. So I gave him a counter-riff on temperature, Boltzmann's Constant and the kinetic energy of monatomic and diatomic gases.
Not a peep out of him since.
Augustus
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What holiday do you think it was?
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Reminds me of those Catholics who are die-hard TLM and I feel like saying, But what about Sarum, Bangor, Hereford, York, Gallican Rites and.... and I imagine the eyes might glaze upon realising there were Latin masses before TrentThat's all good then.
There's a lot of riffing going on in forums at the moment. There was a bloke the other day riffing on the different temperature scales, on one of the other forums I subscribe to. So I gave him a counter-riff on temperature, Boltzmann's Constant and the kinetic energy of monatomic and diatomic gases.
The general concept of it was, yeah.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Well, fair enough, as a Theology undergrad, you can now riff on all that sort of stuff.Reminds me of those Catholics who are die-hard TLM and I feel like saying, But what about Sarum, Bangor, Hereford, York, Gallican Rites and.... and I imagine the eyes might glaze upon realising there were Latin masses before Trent
How's it going, by the way? Are you home for Christmas yet? Mt sne doesn't get back from St. Andrews for another week and a half, but that' because he wants to go camping and hill climbing in the Cairngorms first, the nutcase.
Good for himWell, fair enough, as a Theology undergrad, you can now riff on all that sort of stuff.
How's it going, by the way? Are you home for Christmas yet? Mt sne doesn't get back from St. Andrews for another week and a half, but that' because he wants to go camping and hill climbing in the Cairngorms first, the nutcase.
We break up on the 15th. I'm going to see my grandparents then hopefully with my bf in Scotland with his fam for Hogmanay. The course is going great. Turned in 3 essays and have an exam in Janaury.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It was Saturnalia, although that celebration ended two days earlier. Sol Invictus was celebrated on the 25th starting in 274 c.e. However, Hyppolytus of Rome said there was a tradition that Jesus was born on the 25th of December, so that appears* to have been maybe the main reason why the 25th was chosen.
*note that I said "appears", as "facts" back that far aren't always easily ascertainable.
Speaking of which, see Wikipedia: Sextus Julius Africanus, particularly ...
Africanus wrote Chronographiai, a history of the world in five volumes. The work covers the period from Creation to the year AD 221. He calculated the period between Creation and Jesus as 5500 years, placing the Incarnation on the first day of AM 5501 (our modern March 25 1 BC). (Note that this dating implies that the birth of Jesus was in December, nine months later.)
Note also that no allowance is made for the tendency of the first-born child to come a couple of weeks late.
Augustus
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There earliest evidence of Sol Invictus being celebrated on the 25th also notes Christmas as being on the 25th.
Sol Invictus probably didn't even exist, it was just standard Sol.
There are numerous dates noted as festivities for Sol, and there was no longstanding tradition of 25 Dec.
If you are interested:
Steven Hijmans, "Sol Invictus, the Winter Solstice, and the Origins of Christmas"
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ya, and a sorta weak parallel is my wife, who was borne on December 10th in Sicilia, but her official birthday is December 12th because that's when her father officially registered her. I tell her that they couldn't decide whether to keep her, and then she hits me! Oh, the oppression I have to put up with!Speaking of which, see Wikipedia: Sextus Julius Africanus, particularly ...
Africanus wrote Chronographiai, a history of the world in five volumes. The work covers the period from Creation to the year AD 221. He calculated the period between Creation and Jesus as 5500 years, placing the Incarnation on the first day of AM 5501 (our modern March 25 1 BC). (Note that this dating implies that the birth of Jesus was in December, nine months later.)Note also that no allowance is made for the tendency of the first-born child to come a couple of weeks late.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
Yes, Christmas is a non-Christian festival just dressed up with Bible names.
I think I like her more than Sextus.Ya, and a sorta weak parallel is my wife, who was borne on December 10th in Sicilia, but her official birthday is December 12th because that's when her father officially registered her. I tell her that they couldn't decide whether to keep her, and then she hits me! Oh, the oppression I have to put up with!
^ a pithy response resting somewhere between shallow and petty ...
exchemist
Veteran Member
I’m delighted. So your boyfriend is a Scot, then. I was born there, though I’m not Scottish, and find my love for Scotland has been rekindled by re-exploring it with my son. Just need to watch the Scots when they’ve had few drrrinks. I once went out with a Scottish nurse, you see.........Good for him
We break up on the 15th. I'm going to see my grandparents then hopefully with my bf in Scotland with his fam for Hogmanay. The course is going great. Turned in 3 essays and have an exam in Janaury.
By the way, I got a round robin email yesterday from one of my old tutors, who now lives in Canterbury. He’s a theoretical chemist and used to teach me maths for chemists and quantum mechanics.
Canterbury is wonderful. Except the wifi. Everyone says the same thing: you're in the middle of town and wifi just doesn't work, and if you're in any shop/church/cafe forget it. They're apparently installing 5G but in the meantime you can barely get 4G.I’m delighted. So your boyfriend is a Scot, then. I was born there, though I’m not Scottish, and find my love for Scotland has been rekindled by re-exploring it with my son. Just need to watch the Scots when they’ve had few drrrinks. I once went out with a Scottish nurse, you see.........
By the way, I got a round robin email yesterday from one of my old tutors, who now lives in Canterbury. He’s a theoretical chemist and used to teach me maths for chemists and quantum mechanics.
Poor Canterbury phone signal leaves street traders abandoning card payments (kentonline.co.uk)
exchemist
Veteran Member
That won’t bother my tutor. He’s so old fashioned we used to joke he wore a waistcoat and tie with his pyjamas.