Is Climate Change real or a Hoax

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What is "the greater point?" That you can take an issue like climate change and put a political spin on it?

That there is massive consensus on the matter among a range of interests. Is there a reason you're being obtuse?

Why do you assume I have an agenda other than to point out that the logo appears on there twice?

I asked if you did. Is there a reason you're playing the "well just because by all conventions of rhetoric, it is strongly implied I am detracting from the thing, but when asked I'll hide in imply then deny questioning the questioner" game?

Let's try again.

"Do you think it invalidates the greater point?" now you either say "no, I was just making a minor nitpick rather than saying anything constructive", or you can say "yes, a minor artistic flaw somehow invalidates the fact that organisations and industry leaders across many fields agree that anthropogenic climate change is occurring and will cause significant stresses to the global economy, biosphere and geopolitical balance"

 

[leov]

Climate has always changed. Never so fast before, though. You know when the 10 hottest years on record were?
The 10 Hottest Global Years on Record

I do not trust those numbers, period. I do not trust any party, pro or con, Imo, it all is a big fake. Personally I want minimal possible pollution levels, I'd like them to stop manufacturing unnecessary cr*p.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I do not trust those numbers, period. I do not trust any party, pro or do, Imo, it all is a big fake. Personally I want minimal possible pollution levels, I'd like them to stop manufacturing unnecessary cr*p.

Despite certain tribal conservative's desperate desire to make it a party issue, it isn't about party. It's about science. Several respected and trusted, mutually independent bodies come up with matching figures, just saying "well I don't trust them" is hardly rigorous.

But even if you believe in some huge evil conspiracy of climate scientists lying to the public for... reasons... you have access to a thermometer, you have access to public records, you have access to the global news service. Much of this stuff is easy to self verify. Summers are getting hotter and drier, and along with that, extreme weather events are increasing in frequency and severity, it's not hard to track.

 

[SalixIncendium]

That there is massive consensus on the matter among a range of interests. Is there a reason you're being obtuse?I asked if you did. Is there a reason you're playing the "well just because by all conventions of rhetoric, it is strongly implied I am detracting from the thing, but when asked I'll hide in imply then deny questioning the questioner" game?

Let's try again.

"Do you think it invalidates the greater point?" now you either say "no, I was just making a minor nitpick rather than saying anything constructive", or you can say "yes, a minor artistic flaw somehow invalidates the fact that organisations and industry leaders across many fields agree that anthropogenic climate change is occurring and will cause significant stresses to the global economy, biosphere and geopolitical balance"

Now that you mention it, I see your placing a political spin on an issue like climate change as undermining your demonstration of consensus among these interests (granted I haven't taken the time to research if the interested picture all acknowledge climate change...but I'm sure you would have been careful to do so before posting the image so no one would accuse you of posting propaganda)...

...but primarily I posted to show that the artist ran out of logos to fill the collage.​

 

[leov]

So

Despite certain tribal conservative's desperate desire to make it a party issue, it isn't about party. It's about science. Several respected and trusted, mutually independent bodies come up with matching figures, just saying "well I don't trust them" is hardly rigorous.

But even if you believe in some huge evil conspiracy of climate scientists lying to the public for... reasons... you have access to a thermometer, you have access to public records, you have access to the global news service. Much of this stuff is easy to self verify. Summers are getting hotter and drier, and along with that, extreme weather events are increasing in frequency and severity, it's not hard to track.

Science know 5% of 5%, 5 scientists pro another 5 con, level of crookery is incredible.

 

[Bear Wild]

I do not trust those numbers, period. I do not trust any party, pro or con, Imo, it all is a big fake. Personally I want minimal possible pollution levels, I'd like them to stop manufacturing unnecessary cr*p.

What do you mean you do not trust any party? This is not about politics its about survival. The science is clear. CO2 levels are rising which is easily measured - not complex science. So where is the CO2 coming from? Lets see burning gasoline creates CO2 I wonder who uses gasoline humans, birds, plants?. Burning coal to make electricity makes CO2 so who uses that electricity? Increased CO2 in the atmosphere increases the temperature on Earth. So where is the bid fake?

Who gets takes CO2 out of the atmosphere, with the exception of some CO2 trapping projects it is plants and what is happening to the plants? Wild fires, expanding population paving over land reducing the space for plants. This does not take much understanding to see that humans are the primary force for climate change. Nothing fake about this unless you close your mind to reality.

 

[Bear Wild]

So

Science know 5% of 5%, 5 scientists pro another 5 con, level of crookery is incredible.

? You realize what you posted does not make any sense right.

 

[David T]

Name one scientist that has gone public with irrefutable proof.

Well it was clear yesterday and cloudy today?!!!! So there proof.

I am waiting for 1 "scientist to step up and own it!! Oh crap we are the idiots that caused it!!! Reading ancient esoteric texts that we have zero clue about or any comment about is NOT the the causality at all. That was a not understood before!! SORRY....


That would be interesting honesty!!!! Good science actually. then What is everyone gonna say "oh no Thats bad science its not to be trusted. What the hell they know? No proof..."

 

[Bear Wild]

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It is amazing how clear the data is and how many people ignore the reality. The levels are rising faster than predicted years ago. My favorite is humans are not causing the climate change. Exactly how long have we known it is hotter in cities during the winter than outside of the cities. That has been known for a long time. Denial is amazing and unfortunate because it always seems to take a catastrophe to wake people up from their refusal to accept what is happening. So how many people will have to die before realize what we are doing. President Trump excluded since he clearly does not care what happens to others.

 

[leov]

What do you mean you do not trust any party? This is not about politics its about survival. The science is clear. CO2 levels are rising which is easily measured - not complex science. So where is the CO2 coming from? Lets see burning gasoline creates CO2 I wonder who uses gasoline humans, birds, plants?. Burning coal to make electricity makes CO2 so who uses that electricity? Increased CO2 in the atmosphere increases the temperature on Earth. So where is the bid fake?

Who gets takes CO2 out of the atmosphere, with the exception of some CO2 trapping projects it is plants and what is happening to the plants? Wild fires, expanding population paving over land reducing the space for plants. This does not take much understanding to see that humans are the primary force for climate change. Nothing fake about this unless you close your mind to reality.

They do not know what is really happening and they have agendas. They do not have interest of humanity on their minds. And that the reason of not having unity on this subject.

 

[leov]

? You realize what you posted does not make any sense right.

I do not realize that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Now that you mention it, I see your placing a political spin on an issue like climate change as undermining your demonstration of consensus among these interests (granted I haven't taken the time to research if the interested picture all acknowledge climate change...but I'm sure you would have been careful to do so before posting the image so no one would accuse you of posting propaganda)...

what "political spin" pray?

...but primarily I posted to show that the artist ran out of logos to fill the collage.​

I don't know why the artist made the error, but it certainly wasn't for lack of logos that could have been used. There's also any of these Category:Climate change organizations - Wikipedia not to mention national symbols of many political entities, not least Australia, UK, and the EU. I don't know, may be he had a deadline.

 

[Bear Wild]

The data is just inconclusive.

The earth has and always will naturally warm and cool and it's on. This is verifiable fact everyone in science agrees on. What's contested is what we cannot prove. Is the current warming caused by humans or is it a part of the natural waming/cooling cycle. Some look at the rapid increase in the last 100 years and scream the sky is falling. Others look at the data compared to the history and see that we are actually several thousand years overdue for an ice age, and it could be this warming we are experiencing now is the precursor to the inevitable ice age ahead of us.

So that is why there is such a drastic difference of opinion, even within the govt and its own scientist. Basically you have 3 factions. Left leaning chicken littles, Right leaning deniers, and actually objectivist who look at the data and say, its inconclusive.

Yes there have been changes in the earths cycle of temperature and there have been reasons. This time it is human induced. Plants trapping CO2 had and influence in the past with temperature cooling. There are other factors but this time you would have to be blind not to see what is happening. Humans have the greatest impact on the planet at this time. So if we are so intelligent why do we continue on the course we are going. Ignorance.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

They do not know what is really happening and they have agendas. They do not have interest of humanity on their minds. And that the reason of not having unity on this subject.

Could you proofread your comment and try again? What "agenda" do you think all the organisations that recognise climate change have, other than, you know, halting anthropogenic climate change?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yes there have been changes in the earths cycle of temperature and there have been reasons. This time it is human induced. Plants trapping CO2 had and influence in the past with temperature cooling. There are other factors but this time you would have to be blind not to see what is happening. Humans have the greatest impact on the planet at this time. So if we are so intelligent why do we continue on the course we are going. Ignorance.

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet That's NASA. They're pretty comprehensive and definitive about it. Unless they're lying because... reasons...

 

[SalixIncendium]

I don't know why the artist made the error, but it certainly wasn't for lack of logos that could have been used. NASA is a glaring omission. There's also any of these Category:Climate change organizations - Wikipedia not to mention national symbols of many political entities, not least Australia, UK, and the EU. I don't know, may be he had a deadline.

Strangely, McDonald's is missing from the list as well. I'm too tired to look for others.

 

[leov]

I do not realize that.

Explain why humanity did well during this period
Medieval Warm Period - Wikipedia
And was miserable during Little Ice Age?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Strangely, McDonald's is missing from the list as well. I'm too tired to look for others.

It's not a definitive list. It's an editorial cartoon.

 

[Bear Wild]

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet That's NASA. They're pretty comprehensive and definitive about it. Unless they're lying because... reasons...

Excellent link! Even the resources at the bottom are good. It amazes me that there even a question about what is happening.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Explain why humanity did well during this period
Medieval Warm Period - Wikipedia
And was miserable during Little Ice Age?

The MWP had stable weather patterns, that allowed for agriculture and expansion in Northern Europe. How beneficial it was to other cultures elsewhere on the planet is debatable.The current climate change does not have stable weather patterns, and is causing desertification and extreme weather events. Notice the number of droughts, hurricanes and wildfires increasing.