Is consciousness physical or nonphysical?

[psychoslice]

Of course consciousness is nonphysical, but at the same time its physical and nonphysical , because all is consciousness. Its just like the ocean, you have the waves a pond the ocean, but all is the ocean.

 

[FearGod]

No it helps confirmed a lot about how important our subconscious brain is and how are brain works physically.

If the brain works only physically then can you explain how our thoughts and intentions (which are nonphysical) motivate our brains ?

 

[psychoslice]

If the brain works only physically then can you explain how our thoughts and intentions (which are nonphysical) motivate our brains ?

I think our thoughts are generated by the mind or brain, we cannot know of anything that the brain doesn't know of.

 

[FearGod]

I think our thoughts are generated by the mind or brain, we cannot know of anything that the brain doesn't know of.

If that is the case then how we can move our hands when we want to, let your brain moves your hand while you don't want to move it, then even thinking won't move your hands, try to move your hands and you'll know yourself that something beyond the brain is controlling it and which is yourself (the soul).

 

[psychoslice]

If that is the case then how we can move our hands when we want to, let your brain moves your hand while you don't want to move it, then even thinking won't move your hands, try to move your hands and you'll know yourself that something beyond the brain is controlling it and which is yourself (the soul).

Because that's the way we are, its all programmed in us over millions of years.

 

[FearGod]

Because that's the way we are, its all programmed in us over millions of years.

Thats the way we are isn't an answer.

 

[psychoslice]

Thats the way we are isn't an answer.

An answer to what ?.

 

[FearGod]

An answer to what ?.

The answer to how we control our brains to move our hands once we want to.
Let your physical brain do it without you being involved.

 

[jchristopher]

Well as far as increasing complexity in organic life we have something better than a law - we have a theory, evolution. For snowflakes we have the Theory of growth by differential sedimentation. The second law by the way refers to waste heat in closed mechanical systems, ecosystems for example are not closed mechanical systems.

First, a theory is not better than a law. Lol! Second, the 2nd law refers to the closed system as the entire universe, no part of it being without its grasp

 

[Willamena]

Metal usually. The waves interact with the electrons of the metal like an antenna to create a EMF charge. We can convert the information carried by the waves into a physical wave like sound. Sound being physical since it does require a physical medium, usually air.

Brainwaves are also detected by small metal electrodes attached to the scalp.

So are brainwaves a by product of the brain's actively or is the brain using these waves to communicate information?

We can use brainwaves to communicate one way at least.

Supposedly waves can be used to alter an individual's mental state. Maybe just referring to physical waves like sound.

It'd be interesting to see if "non-physical" waves can affect the consciousness of the brain.

Anyway depending on how you use the term physical, perhaps the "non-physical" aspect of a person, their mind or consciousness resides in these waves.

Waves can be measured. They are physical.

 

[FearGod]

Waves can be measured. They are physical.

The question that comes to mind is why the brain produces such waves, for what purpose ?

 

[Aupmanyav]

If that is the case then how we can move our hands when we want to, let your brain moves your hand while you don't want to move it, then even thinking won't move your hands, try to move your hands and you'll know yourself that something beyond the brain is controlling it and which is yourself (the soul).

Ereka. I thought the brain commanded the muscles. But no, it is the soul.

 

[FearGod]

Ereka. I thought the brain commanded the muscles. But no, it is the soul.

The brain commanded the muscles once the soul wanted to, IOW the soul commanded the brain to send the signal to muscle.

 

[Nakosis]

Waves can be measured. They are physical.

Ok then maybe better to define them as non-material.

Gamma waves are interesting.

The proposed answer lies in a wave that, originating in the thalamus, sweeps the brain from front to back, 40 times per second, drawing different neuronal circuits into synch with the precept, and thereby bringing the precept into the attentional foreground. If the thalamus is damaged even a little bit, this wave stops, conscious awarenesses do not form, and the patient slips into profound coma.
Gamma wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nakosis]

That sounds mystical.

Mystical?
b : involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective communion with God or ultimate reality <the mystical experience of the Inner Light>

 

[jchristopher]

"It is a matter of common experience, that things get more disordered and chaotic with time. This observation can be elevated to the status of a law, the so-called Second Law of Thermodynamics. This says that the total amount of disorder, or entropy, in the universe, always increases with time. However, the Law refers only to the total amount of disorder. The order in one body can increase, provided that the amount of disorder in its surroundings increases by a greater amount. This is what happens in a living being. One can define Life to be an ordered system that can sustain itself against the tendency to disorder, and can reproduce itself. That is, it can make similar, but independent, ordered systems. To do these things, the system must convert energy in some ordered form, like food, sunlight, or electric power, into disordered energy, in the form of heat. In this way, the system can satisfy the requirement that the total amount of disorder increases, while, at the same time, increasing the order in itself and its offspring. A living being usually has two elements: a set of instructions that tell the system how to sustain and reproduce itself, and a mechanism to carry out the instructions. In biology, these two parts are called genes and metabolism."

Life in the Universe - Stephen Hawking

Yes, I understand this. What I am asking is this: what scientific explanation is there for this ordering force, whether within or without a small closed sub-system. I'm not aware of one. It's an unexplained phenomenon

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Well as far as increasing complexity in organic life we have something better than a law - we have a theory, evolution.

Evolutionary theory doesn't posit any direction other than increased fitness, which isn't equivalent to complexity. It is well known that evolutionary theory not only doesn't explain increasing complexity, the theory holds there isn't any (at least as a general trend).

For snowflakes we have the Theory of growth by differential sedimentation.

Not really. We have lots and lots of information about crystallization, and some of what we know applies to snow flakes. See uploaded/attached.

The second law by the way refers to waste heat in closed mechanical systems, ecosystems for example are not closed mechanical systems.

Well put.

 

[outhouse]

I suspect you are referring to Libet's experiments

You suspect wrong.

If we could measure consciousness, then we should be able to tell me whether a bacterium is conscious

Measure is a weasel word in context here.

Detect and measure both would quantify, and we do factually detect thought it in the brain.




But there is zero evidence for any aspect of thought or consciousness outside the brain.

 

[outhouse]

I see. So, all electrical energy is conscious?

Non sequitur

 

[outhouse]

The body creates energy. The Brain creates consciousness.

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Yes!!!! a great post using reason and knowledge, instead of conspiracy minded methodology.