Is Einstein in hell for Hiroshima?

[Audie]

I have some familiarity with the history of WW2, both in the European and Pacific theaters.

My view is that the use of the atom bomb on Japan saved many many more lives than it cost, both Japanese and American / Allied.

I invite anyone who holds a contrary view to look at the casualty estimates for both sides if an invasion of Japan had been required.

My family was in Hong Kong when the
Japanese dropped in for a visit.

It was not like Nanjing but if anyone earned an A bomb it was theJapanses- allowing for that as usual, the innocent were the ones who suffered,
for the innocent who suffered elsewhere.

 

[stvdv]

Pfft! And you claim to read the threads on this forum! Heck, you ain't even been reading my posts.

Just the threatless threads
Not sin/hell and snuff stuff

 

[questfortruth]

Are you talking about The Einstein-Szilard Letter that was sent to President Roosevelt in 1939?

Has Einstein written many letters to Presidents?

 

[questfortruth]

My family was in Hong Kong when

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible). The suffering has no limit: if you have lost one kid, you can lose two kids.

 

[McBell]

Has Einstein written many letters to Presidents?

He did not write one to Truman...
At least, not one he said he regretting writing anyway.
He did write The Einstein-Szilard Letter which he later said he regretted.

 

[McBell]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible).

Does not follow.

 

[ratiocinator]

Is Einstein in hell for Hiroshima?

No. Hell is a myth.

 

[exchemist]

I wonder though, what about the inventor of dynamite? A Mr Alfred Nobel. Although does the Nobel prize cancel that out?

Dynamite is, or was, an industrial explosive. I don't think it has had much use as a weapon of war.

 

[Altfish]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible). The suffering has no limit: if you have lost one kid, you can lose two kids.

Albert Einstein has called his letter to President Roosevelt (with advice to build the A-bomb) the biggest mistake of his life.
Assuming, that Einstein is ABSOLUTE GENIUS (so, Albert correctly identifies his own mistakes),
the God of Love is angry at Einstein?

The letter of Einstein has started not only a peaceful use of radioactivity but a military use as well. And look, how the testing of the bombs has influenced nature and health: we have a cancer pandemic.

You are asking: why wouldn't a loving God forgive him?
There is a chance, that the anger of God if it has already started, would last an eternity.
The God, who always loves, can not become angry even for a sec.

/QUOTE]
What about the inventor of the wheel - cars have killed more than Hiroshima, etc.
Inventor of the steam engine, it is still killing people today
Is the inventor of the cine camera responsible for child pornography?

The inventor of something is NOT responsible for how it is used.

 

[questfortruth]

Is the inventor of the cine camera responsible for child pornography?

No. Only if he took the pictures of a naked child. Einstein has willingly helped the military. That was his concern.

 

[exchemist]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible). The suffering has no limit: if you have lost one kid, you can lose two kids.

Albert Einstein has called his letter to President Roosevelt (with advice to build the A-bomb) the biggest mistake of his life.
Assuming, that Einstein is ABSOLUTE GENIUS (so, Albert correctly identifies his own mistakes),
the God of Love is angry at Einstein?

The letter of Einstein has started not only a peaceful use of radioactivity but a military use as well. And look, how the testing of the bombs has influenced nature and health: we have a cancer pandemic.

You are asking: why wouldn't a loving God forgive him?
There is a chance, that the anger of God if it has already started, would last an eternity.
The God, who always loves, can not become angry even for a sec.

I can't find any evidence Einstein described signing the Einstein-Szilard Letter as his biggest mistake.

In fact he considered his cosmological constant his "biggest blunder": https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.3.20181030a/full/, though now we consider it far from a blunder.

Today most people would agree his biggest blunder in fact was his conviction that "God does not play dice", by which he rejected the implications of quantum theory (interpretation in terms of probability, uncertainty principle, etc).

The letter was a warning to Roosevelt that the Nazis might succeed in building an atomic bomb and so it would be prudent to get there first. It was drafted by by Szilard, based on the fears of himself, Wigner, Teller and Bethe (thereafter dubbed the "Four Hungarians of the Apocalypse") but he got Einstein to sign it, as he felt that would have more impact.

Einstein reportedly commented in 1947 : "Had I had known the Germans would not succeed in producing an atomic bomb, I would not have lifted a finger." But of course he couldn't have known that, so this is hardly calling it a "mistake".

 

[Faithofchristian]

How exactly do you that Albert Einstein Is in hell ?

What proof do you have to prove that Albert Einstein is in hell.

Are you claiming to know the heart of Albert Einstein....how do you not know that Albert Einstein could have ask God to for give him...maybe you would do better to leave it to God to Judge people on what they do...at the Judgement of God's.
Your blaming Albert Einstein for what others did with a atomic bomb....

 

[SomeRandom]

Dynamite is, or was, an industrial explosive. I don't think it has had much use as a weapon of war.

True. Though I suspect not for a lack of trying.
It’s humorous to me that his reported premature death basically led him to commit to a PR campaign so his name wouldn’t be associated with death

 

[questfortruth]

I can't find any evidence Einstein described signing the Einstein-Szilard Letter as his biggest mistake.

I have the reference, but I need some time to find it. Do you need the reference?

 

[Altfish]

No. Only if he took the pictures of a naked child. Einstein has willingly helped the military. That was his concern.

It shouldn't be.

 

[exchemist]

True. Though I suspect not for a lack of trying.
It’s humorous to me that his reported premature death basically led him to commit to a PR campaign so his name wouldn’t be associated with death

Among other business interests he owned Bofors, which made armaments, certainly. But dynamite was not a propellant in guns or an explosive in shells, so far as I can discover. The writer of the French premature obituary seems to have believed he was a merchant of death, but that has nothing to do with dynamite.

 

[blü 2]

I understand, but the letter of Einstein has started not only a peaceful use of radioactivity but a military use as well. And look, how the testing of the bombs has influenced nature and health: we have a cancer pandemic,

Yes, we learnt about atomic testing the hard way.

And yes, the pilots of Enola Gay were deeply troubled when after the event they learnt what they'd actually done. And yes, the Cuban Missile crisis and the Cold War that cost a great many people a lot of sleep, and Stanslav Petrov's decision that averted a nuclear war, and the Ban the Bomb movement that was very strong for a decade or two in the last century all demonstrate that the world has had to learn how to walk on eggs.

But some cautious and qualified optimism seems in order now that Trump's gone.

 

[Revoltingest]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

This would also mean that Hell is topless.
Terrible punishment indeed.

Spoiler

Note:
This image is mildly erotic, but not obscen.
The gal is covered appropriately, & the danger hidden.
So let's have no one file mischievous reports, OK.

 

[blü 2]

My ex-mother-in-law (second wife) grew up in Japan during World War II and was old enough to been among the millions of school children who the Japanese began training towards the end to sacrifice their lives tying to successfully assault and ambush with bamboo spears American troops fighting to take the islands. If anything like that had actually played out, the death count of children alone could easily have numbered in the millions.

I'm not saying that means the bombs were necessary to bring about the timing of the surrender. I've never studied the details well enough to be confident I have a reasonable guess at that. I'm just saying that the stakes were much higher than anyone can mentally grasp.

Statistics are not children dying in agony, shock, and terror, but at most a cold summary of the fact of their deaths.

If you want to read a very readable detailed history of America's war in the Pacific 1941-45 ─ and I accept not everybody does ─ then Ian Toll's Pacific Trilogy (Pacific Crucible, The Conquering Tide, and Twilight of the Gods (I haven't read the last one yet) is very highly recommended and not just by me.

 

[Valjean]

If there is no Hell,
Then there is no bottom of Hell.
Hence, Hell has no bottom -

Proof of the "bottomless pit" (Bible).

Hell is a black hole?