Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
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Is Equality Everyone Being Treated The Same?
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Refusing to use a word doesn't change it's definition.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Because you keep asking despite answers! Perhaps those organizations will have more satisfactory answers. I certainly don't know the reasoning for the variety of requirements.
Averroes
Active Member
I have as I am doing now. I have demonstrated that the physical requirements are not strenuous enough to where there would be complete and obvious gender difference in the physical adpect. I listed the requirements, and all I received back, was comments on "well men and women are physically different" I mean seriously 20 push ups will prove there is a physical gap between men and women? Give me a break son!
Me Myself
Back to my username
I may be wrong, but generaly speaking women do have less physical fitness than men.
They tend to live longer though.
In what refers to gender I believe equal opportunities should be enough for equality.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Also, it's been proven repeatedly that men and women can do the exact same number of - let's say - pushups, but men will gain more muscle mass and be able to increase more weight. Women sustain more injuries from sports.
I'm not saying women are physical wimps. I used to run marathons and my time was faster than all my male friends. But they still could lift more than me.
Once. Again. We have different strengths. Not really a big deal.
I'm not saying women are physical wimps. I used to run marathons and my time was faster than all my male friends. But they still could lift more than me.
Once. Again. We have different strengths. Not really a big deal.
Averroes
Active Member
My continued questioning is not me purposefully trying to be ignorant. It is an expression of shock.
For example "Can someone tell me why this idiot thinks smoking while using oxygen to breathe is not a problem?"
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Well, that's true, I suppose. Still, I think you should research that, or ask the organizations directly, cuz I just dunno.
Averroes
Active Member
Ok Ok fine prove muscle mass gain. We are talking about physical requirements for the same job and how there are differences-That isn't equality!
Sorry to sound rash
If I do just as good as the women in physical agility test I will be disqualified, again NOT equal
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Durrr.
I'm guessing it's because the "requirements" are arbitrary numbers to indicate fitness, not actual measured requirements based on job duties.
Muscle mass info:
Sex differences in humans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On average, males are physically stronger than females. The difference is due to females, on average, having less total muscle mass than males, and also having lower muscle mass in comparison to total body mass. While individual muscle fibers have similar strength, males have more fibers due to their greater total muscle mass. The greater muscle mass of males is in turn due to a greater capacity for muscular hypertrophy as a result of men's higher levels of testosterone. Males remain stronger than females, when adjusting for differences in total body mass. This is due to the higher male muscle-mass to body-mass ratio.[4]
As a result, gross measures of body strength suggest an average 40-50% difference in upper body strength between the sexes as a result of this difference, and a 20-30% difference in lower body strength.[5] This is supported by another study that found females are about 52-66 percent as strong as males in the upper body (34-48% difference), and about 70-80 percent as strong in the lower body (20-30% difference).[6] One study of muscle strength in the elbows and knees—in 45 and older males and females—found the strength of females to range from 42 to 63% of male strength.[7]"
Besides Wiki, there's a ton of literature out there for athletes in training, and the greater risks of injury for women due to less dense skeletal structures, less muscle mass, lower center of gravity, and other physiological factors.
Averroes
Active Member
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I have four kids and one stepson.
All five have different measurable IQs. Now I know that is only one sort of intelligence, but it's a measurable sort. My four have the same two parents, and have had exactly the same upbringing in exactly the same environment.
Their talents, challenges, and basic IQs are each different. I mean like COMPLETELY different.
To top all that off, I have a son who is dyslexic and ADHD, whose skill set simply defies fitting on any sort of grid. He's a genius who struggles mightily with reading and writing - but writes beautiful poetry. I have one daughter who is very artistic and one who simply ISN'T. One who is very athletic and one who isn't. One son is left handed and quirky as hell, and the other is right handed, very logical, very pragmatic. Two were honor students, and two were deemed gifted by their schools every year - but they aren't the same two.
Their work ethics differ greatly as well, as well as their sets of moral values.
All that being said, I am very proud of each of them. They have all transitioned to adulthood well in their own way, and are moving forward and building their adult lives - in very disparate manners.
By the way, all four kids and my stepson could probably do very well in the military, but three of them could definitely go far beyond the required minimum on the PT test and two would probably do closer to the minimum requirements, at least in some areas. Once in, there's no doubt in my mind that they could all excel in one field or another in the military.
Two already are.
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I already know about all of this and don't wish to discuss it. That is not what I was talking about and it seems I struck some kind of nerve. But that is not what I meant at all. No two people are the same is all I meant, I mean that is what the whole discussion was supposed to be about. Please drop it. :sleep:
"do to others what you would have them do to you". If people follow this under a set standard then yes. As soon as someone strays from this then he/she loses his/her right to be treated equally (i.e. prison).
*Edit* This set rule should be agreed upon by a large majority rather than a few people
*Edit* This set rule should be agreed upon by a large majority rather than a few people
Alceste
Vagabond
I've got no kids, but I do have an older sibling. When he was about 9 and I was about 6 (roughly), we had a conversation that went something like this:
Him: "I'm smarter than you!"
Me: "What makes you think that?"
Him: "I've been to school two more years than you, so I've learned more!"
Me (troll baby sister): "Just because you know more doesn't mean you're smarter. I'm way smarter than you and I always will be and there's nothing you can do about it."
I remember it still, and it turned out to be true - I always got better grades than my brother and my IQ is higher. On the other hand, he's no dunce. He's got talents of his own I can't compete with - he's funny, and a talented writer. He's got **** going for him that isn't empirically measurable by any kind of test with right and wrong answers.
But I'm still better at math and logic, so he can suck it. lol.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Wow, someone else who is wrong.
I didn't miss his point at all. I did not want this discussion to turn into a racial one. I am afraid that it will turn it into a debate if it does. I did not mean that I believed that one race was smarter than another- I wasn't even insinuating that or even thinking that because I believe that all people are individuals. I doubt there is anyone on the RF who believes that. I was trying very hard not to go down that road.
I didn't mean to get so passionate about it, though.
I didn't mean to get so passionate about it, though.