Is evolution as crooked as Hillary?

[sayak83]

You've got that word on everything. Got any evolutionary ice cream?

Evolution means a very specific process. Very simply evolution is descent with variation followed by selection over that variation. The process can operate on any entity whatsoever. Thus any entity set that has lines of descent with variation followed by selection over the variation is said to be evolving. Be it animals and plants, bacteria, chemicals, proteins, algorithms, universes...

 

[Valjean]

I agree it was clearly a hoax.. to most people... but not so clear to evolutionists- who believed it was the basis of human evolution for 40 years!

Good point. It did fit the prevailing 'theory' at the time, nor was it too closely examined by other researchers.
Some were skeptical from the outset, though.

plenty of evolutionists, 'punctuated equilibriumists' & dissent on dinos-to-birds has been growing for some time- not all that controversial an observation.

Even Gould didn't propose Punctuated equilibrium as a replacement for gradualist mechanisms.
I haven't read anything recently on dinos-to-birds, so can't reply on this.

If you've got something, you can tweet men though...

Of course not! I can't think of a single example of a prominent evolutionist with an atheist agenda...

ROFL.

OK, OK -- but I think Dawkins' atheist activism, though perhaps informed by his naturalistic skepticism, is not a part of his biological oeuvre.
A sort of non overlapping magisterium, so to speak.

 

[Kemosloby]

Evolution means a very specific process. Very simply evolution is descent with variation followed by selection over that variation. The process can operate on any entity whatsoever. Thus any entity set that has lines of descent with variation followed by selection over the variation is said to be evolving. Be it animals and plants, bacteria, chemicals, proteins, algorithms, universes...

As I suspected Evolution is actually Devolution. If the offspring followed a path of descent, then one smashed the other offspring over the head and proves to be less descended than the other, they both descended before one evolved over the other, the overall path is down.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Good point. It did fit the prevailing 'theory' at the time, nor was it too closely examined by other researchers.
Some were skeptical from the outset, though.

Even Gould didn't propose Punctuated equilibrium as a replacement for gradualist mechanisms.
I haven't read anything recently on dinos-to-birds, so can't reply on this.

If you've got something, you can tweet men though...







Of course not! I can't think of a single example of a prominent evolutionist with an atheist agenda...

ROFL.

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Scientists: Bird's Ancestors Likely Not Dinosaurs - VOA News
www.voanews.com/a/scientists-bird-ancestors-likely-not-dinosaurs/1963705.htm

Jul 23, 2014 - A fossil found in Inner Mongolia may prove that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs, as many scientists have believed, but from a creature that ...
Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
www.science20.com › Life Sciences › Ecology & Zoology › News Article

Feathered fossil proves that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Science
Jun 22, 2000 - The lizard, which lived 75 million years before the first known bird, may have sported a set of feathers yet was not a dinosaur, a study published ...


All of which creation scientists have been saying for years,

 

[Valjean]

As I suspected Evolution is actually Devolution. If the offspring followed a path of descent, then one smashed the other offspring over the head and proves to be less descended than the other, they both descended before one evolved over the other, the overall path is down.

Huh?

 

[viole]

Sorry I can be sarcastic.

I am sure you can. Everybody can.

Meaning Darwin created Evolution theory, which you said produced me. but of course we would all be here without evolution theory.

True. I am sure Julius Caesar existed also without evolution theory. But I doubt he would have existed without evolution.

In the same way, things fall down even without a gravitation theory. But probably not without gravitation.

Don't confuse facts with the theory trying to explain them.

So what does it actually produce for society?

Probably the same as quantum chromodynamics. Or algebraic topology. And I am conservative. I expect some medicines are based on the assumption that evolution is true.

Do you measure the truth of claims depending on their usefulness for society?

It says God created Adam as a pattern of the One to come, Christ.

So, Since Adam allegedely looked like a hairless ape too, what can we conclude?

Or do you believe he looked something completely different? Like a butterfly. Or a dinosaur. Or a tree, maybe?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

Scientists: Bird's Ancestors Likely Not Dinosaurs - VOA News
www.voanews.com/a/scientists-bird-ancestors-likely-not-dinosaurs/1963705.htm

Jul 23, 2014 - A fossil found in Inner Mongolia may prove that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs, as many scientists have believed, but from a creature that ...
Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
www.science20.com › Life Sciences › Ecology & Zoology › News Article

Feathered fossil proves that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Science
Jun 22, 2000 - The lizard, which lived 75 million years before the first known bird, may have sported a set of feathers yet was not a dinosaur, a study published ...


All of which creation scientists have been saying for years,

VOA News: "Page does not exist"
Independent: Interesting, birds preceding dinos.
Just the Dromaeosaurids, or all the Therapods?
More dinos from birds than birds from dinos?

 

[sayak83]

Scientists: Bird's Ancestors Likely Not Dinosaurs - VOA News
www.voanews.com/a/scientists-bird-ancestors-likely-not-dinosaurs/1963705.htm

Jul 23, 2014 - A fossil found in Inner Mongolia may prove that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs, as many scientists have believed, but from a creature that ...
Theropod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds? Not Likely, Says Study
www.science20.com › Life Sciences › Ecology & Zoology › News Article

Feathered fossil proves that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Science
Jun 22, 2000 - The lizard, which lived 75 million years before the first known bird, may have sported a set of feathers yet was not a dinosaur, a study published ...


All of which creation scientists have been saying for years,

Longisquama did not sport actual feathers but skin and scale appendages that gave the illusory impression of feathers.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...rew-feather-like-structures-before-dinosaurs/

Anyways the sheer number of dinosaurs sporting true feathers and dinosaurs-birds transitional fossils excavated after 2000 has put paid to any doubts about dinosaur to bird evolution.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150602-dinosaurs-to-birds/

On further investigation, I found that there exists a prejudiced clique of 3-4 scientists who have continuously published junk material in their increasingly irrational efforts to debunk dino-bird relations (since 1970 it appears).

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/07/17/birds-cannot-be-dinosaurs/

Point by point refutation of this atrocious paper.

 

[gnostic]

Hmmm....but what of Donald Trump, a sexist sleezebag, xenophobic of just about everyone and everything that don't have his hairstyle, and a tax-cheat, who hasn't pay tax in years on some loopholes and exploit the tax system on technicalities.

 

[Kemosloby]

I am sure you can. Everybody can.



True. I am sure Julius Caesar existed also without evolution theory. But I doubt he would have existed without evolution.

In the same way, things fall down even without a gravitation theory. But probably not without gravitation.

Don't confuse facts with the theory trying to explain them.



Probably the same as quantum chromodynamics. Or algebraic topology. And I am conservative. I expect some medicines are based on the assumption that evolution is true.

Do you measure the truth of claims depending on their usefulness for society?



So, Since Adam allegedely looked like a hairless ape too, what can we conclude?

Or do you believe he looked something completely different? Like a butterfly. Or a dinosaur. Or a tree, maybe?

Ciao

- viole

That God likes the hairless ape look?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Could it be possible that Evolution theory is just a monstrous lie based on cross breeding? The only observable facts to the regular Joe is we have seen cross breeding and know that animals can change. For the rest we would need to look at the server in Hillarys' basement.

Seriously they make such a big deal out of Evolution theory, but what good does it do? If you were building a building, and miscalculate the strength of steel, the building might fall down. But if you're wrong about Evolution theory, name one thing which would result from it.

Just one thing???: no antibiotic-resistant microbe would ever have evolved, and therefore there wouldn't be any. There are.

 

[Kemosloby]

Hmmm....but what of Donald Trump, a sexist sleezebag, xenophobic of just about everyone and everything that don't have his hairstyle, and a tax-cheat, who hasn't pay tax in years on some loopholes and exploit the tax system on technicalities.

At least he's honest about it. Smart enough to exploit the holes politicians left for the bankers called depreciation.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That's quite a statement by Theodius Dobzhansky. Meaningless though.

Only when you're ignorant of the science behind it.

 

[Kemosloby]

Just one thing: no antibiotic-resistant microbe would ever have evolved, and therefore there wouldn't be any. There are.

Sure they would, sure as the overuse of antibiotics in the factory farm industry, they would become resistant to antibiotics.

 

[Valjean]

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Hmmm....but what of Donald Trump, a sexist sleezebag, xenophobic of just about everyone and everything that don't have his hairstyle, and a tax-cheat, who hasn't pay tax in years on some loopholes and exploit the tax system on technicalities.

He's a dinosaur, too.

 

[Valjean]

That God likes the hairless ape look?

The Bible says He made man in His image.

 

[Kemosloby]

Only when you're ignorant of the science behind it.

As we all are when there is no science behind it.

 

[gnostic]

Seriously they make such a big deal out of Evolution theory, but what good does it do?

For one, it has solid grounding in viral diseases and infections. How it can develop new strains that are resistant or immune to the current introduction of antibiotics or vaccines.

That virus can react this way to vaccines, adapting itself that new strains of the viruses can resist the same vaccines being used, is a real-life example of Natural Selection, without requiring thousands of years to see changes.

And Natural Selection is just one mechanism in evolutionary biology. Another mechanism involved in this example of viruses is Mutation.

Evolution also gave biologists fuller understanding of genetics.

Not everything about speciation and fossils.

 

[Kemosloby]

He made man in His image, didn't He?

God made man first before taking on the image of man himself as Christ. "Adam was a pattern of the One to come, Christ"

 

[Valjean]

Just one thing???: no antibiotic-resistant microbe would ever have evolved, and therefore there wouldn't be any. There are.

Why not? A rare but natural variation, like plague/HIV resistance in man.
Natural selection in the presence of antibiotics just selected for those rare variants.