Is existence possible without God?

[McBell]

LOL. I've seen similar reasons given for atheism...like a "childish bravado" or to excuse debauchery and selfishness (because it doesn't matter in the end anyway). The list goes on and is just as stupid.

Stupid or not, many people do in indeed use religion as an excuse for the actions.
"The Devil Made Me Do It!"
"Nobodies Perfect"
"Alcohol Is Evil"


poor atheist.
They have no supernatural/invisible boogey men to blame things on...

 

[Willamena]

Stupid or not, many people do in indeed use religion as an excuse for the actions.
"The Devil Made Me Do It!"
"Nobodies Perfect"
"Alcohol Is Evil"


poor atheist.
They have no supernatural/invisible boogey men to blame things on...

Of course they do.

"These things just happen."
"It's just bad timing."
"They have good chemistry together."

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Of course they do.

"These things just happen."
"It's just bad timing."
"They have good chemistry together."

Or, "I've had the worst of luck!"

 

[kai]

Is existence possible without God?

Let me clarify what I mean by “existence.” I don't mean the existence of humans. I mean the system that we live in, AKA the universe.

Lets say, for a second, that the Big Bang is 100% correct. How did the atom get into space and time? And how did space and time come into existence so that the atom would have somewhere to be?

Has space and time and that atom always just been???????


I'm not so sure of any of these questions. What do you think?



Here are my thoughts (As of right this second). If the universe has always just been, then there may not be a God. However, It does not make since for this atom to be static for an infinite amount of time then just randomly explode.

If the universe came into existence at some point in time (if there was a beginning), then there must be a God. I mean nothing can only make nothing.

well there is no answer is there, you have to formulate a response to this by logical thought and rational argument, we tend to think the universe is all about us , but as far as we know we can only live here in this tiny blue dot, for now. dont you think its a bit egotistic to say it was created just for us , and why in the fashion that it is when most of it is useless to us , its just there enjoy looking at it and exploring it , its ok to ask questions ,but putting god did it as the answer when we just plainly dont know yet,is a cop out really , and we should have outgrown that by now .

 

[iLL_LeaT]

Perhaps we are predisposed to believe in god because it gives us a psychological crutch. Or we can shift the blame for an event onto something to ease our pain. Or it gives us something to argue about. Or it allows one group of people to control another in onee form or another. My reply would depend on how cynical I'm feeling.

Sure. I'm guessing your an atheist. I was an atheist. When you say, "ease the pain." What do you mean by that? Because sometimes I get a panic attacks when thinking about the fact that there may be no afterlife. Is that what you're talking about?

Since this started out in saying that religion is a natural impulse, does that mean that you can choose not to indulge in religion?

As far as our disposition, Neurotheology shows that we are wired to have religion.

Look up "God on the brain" at youtube. It's interesting.

And I would counter the second that there are some people who are predisposed to be attracted to the same sex.

Maybe some people. My point had nothing to do with sexual preference. It had to do with the fact that we can deny natural instinct.

If you wish to use logic to define why there must be a universe that God created, surely I should be able to use logic to ask why there must be a God.

You know depending on the questions you present, you can make a logical statement for and against the existence of God. When you get down to the level of the unknown, anything is possible.


I don't think you get it. I'm not saying "this is how it is." I wanted to see what people thought. I'm not saying there must be a God. I'm offering up some questions I ask myself. Not trying to argue

 

[iLL_LeaT]

well there is no answer is there, you have to formulate a response to this by logical thought and rational argument, we tend to think the universe is all about us , but as far as we know we can only live here in this tiny blue dot, for now. dont you think its a bit egotistic to say it was created just for us , and why in the fashion that it is when most of it is useless to us , its just there enjoy looking at it and exploring it , its ok to ask questions ,but putting god did it as the answer when we just plainly dont know yet,is a cop out really , and we should have outgrown that by now .

Who said anything about us. The questions had to do with the existence of the universe. I mean, if there is a God, he/she/it may not even know we are here.

 

[kai]

Who said anything about us. The questions had to do with the existence of the universe. I mean, if there is a God, he/she/it may not even know we are here.

then the answers the same, just leave us out of it , some questions are unanswerable ,just dont use god as an answer for conveniance sake

 

[McBell]

just dont use god as an answer for conveniance sake

{sarcasm}
WHAT!?
Can't do that.
One would eliminate religion altogether!!
{/sarcasm}

 

[kai]

{sarcasm}
WHAT!?
Can't do that.
One would eliminate religion altogether!!
{/sarcasm}

one by one , all at once would be too much even for a god

 

[s2a]

Is existence possible without God?

Let me clarify what I mean by “existence.” I don't mean the existence of humans. I mean the system that we live in, AKA the universe.

Well...it would seem so...

The cosmos "exists". Human's are but an infinitesimally small "existent" point within that vast scale that encompasses of all measurable/observable time and space.

Lets say, for a second, that the Big Bang is 100% correct. How did the atom get into space and time? And how did space and time come into existence so that the atom would have somewhere to be?

They're (those science-type folks) working on that specified query. They're close. Just hang on...

Has space and time and that atom always just been???????

Current hard evidence suggests otherwise.

I'm not so sure of any of these questions. What do you think?

I think "I don't know, but I'll try to find out" is the most honest and useful position for any thoughtful person to espouse.

Here are my thoughts (As of right this second). If the universe has always just been, then there may not be a God. However, It does not make since for this atom to be static for an infinite amount of time then just randomly explode.

OK. Why then does your own premise therefore remain unsustainable, in speaking "sensibly"? What aspect of your assumption seems or "feels" to be unlikely, or impossible?

If the universe came into existence at some point in time (if there was a beginning), then there must be a God. I mean nothing can only make nothing.

Forgive me saying so, but yours is but a fallacious "argument from ignorance".

In effect, you (errantly) conclude that a lack of compelling "disproofs" of any divine influence/cause therefore renders the "either/or" rationalization as inevitable (ie., "God exists").

The question that deserves far more scrutiny, and demands far more concrete evidences, is..."Did God Do it (Creation...of the cosmos)?".

Why is any scientific theory that proposes a cosmos that "randomly (your characterization)" pops into existence to be therefore deemed any more or less plausible than some Creator/God concept/explanation?

Science posits explanations/conclusions predicated upon available evidences; that's it...that's all. Maybe God "makes" gravity (happen/exist), but the phenomena of gravity (itself) can be measured, defined, quantified, and reliably/accurately predicted...and consistently so...with no requisite deities either named or cited as "cause".

To modify the OP...we might also fairly inquire..."Is existence impossible without God"?

It would seem just as likely and plausible...that answer to such an inquiry is...YES.

The fact that the "cosmos" exists is not in question.

Whether or not any deity must be assigned as some "causal agent" of that existence (as some inevitably remaining outcome/conclusion)...continually remains questionable, at best...and only unsupported faith-based claim at most base (or fundamentalist) conclusions.

The burden of assignable evidences/causes of any attributable divine influences/effects (upon "Creation" of "existence") remains solely and squarly upon the shoulders of such claimants themselves.

The cosmos "exists".

The "how", demands further inquiry and substantiated theories/conclusions.

The "why", is continually espoused by those that seek to attribute a "directed" meaning and purpose upon existence itself. Good luck with that...

 

[iLL_LeaT]

then the answers the same, just leave us out of it , some questions are unanswerable ,just dont use god as an answer for conveniance sake

Yes you are right. They are unanswerable. I never said they where. Just looking the thoughts of others. Everything outside of science is just speculation. But just because I cop out and use the "G" word doesn't mean I wrong (doesn't mean I'm right ether).

I guess just saying, "I don't know," is less convenient.

 

[kai]

Yes you are right. They are unanswerable. I never said they where. Just looking the thoughts of others. Everything outside of science is just speculation. But just because I cop out and use the "G" word doesn't mean I wrong (doesn't mean I'm right ether).

I guess just saying, "I don't know," is less convenient.

it means you are probably wrong, and saying i dont know is the truth

 

[iLL_LeaT]

it means you are probably wrong, and saying i dont know is the truth

My God, your right!!! You don't know!!!



I'm guessing you are one of those types of people who think there way of thinking MUST be true! Because it makes since to you. It's a good thing your not a radical extremist.

There is no harm in asking questions and getting peoples opinions. Thanks for your "I'm right, your wrong" response.

 

[rojse]

Sure. I'm guessing your an atheist. I was an atheist. When you say, "ease the pain." What do you mean by that? Because sometimes I get a panic attacks when thinking about the fact that there may be no afterlife. Is that what you're talking about?

Lots of things - the hardships of life, moral conundrums, having someone to lump your problems onto. Take your pick, or put something else in there that fits.

As far as our disposition, Neurotheology shows that we are wired to have religion.

Look up "God on the brain" at youtube. It's interesting.

Firstly, looking at neurotheology would mean theology of the brain, so that has me worried somewhat as to it's impartiality regarding religion, but no matter.

If we are wired that way, where do atheists fit in, and people that do not actively attend religion?

Does neurotheology attempt to explain why people are wired to be religious, or does it not go any further than that?

Maybe some people. My point had nothing to do with sexual preference. It had to do with the fact that we can deny natural instinct.

I'll agree with that in a general sense.

You know depending on the questions you present, you can make a logical statement for and against the existence of God. When you get down to the level of the unknown, anything is possible.

When you get to the unknown, you get a multitude of people that claim to have the one true answer.

I don't think you get it. I'm not saying "this is how it is." I wanted to see what people thought. I'm not saying there must be a God. I'm offering up some questions I ask myself. Not trying to argue

Fair enough.

 

[kai]

My God, your right!!! You don't know!!!



I'm guessing you are on of those types that think our way of thinking MUST be true! Because it makes since to you. It's a good thing your not a radical extremist.

There is no harm in asking questions and getting peoples opinions. Thanks for your "I'm right, your wrong" response.

you seem a little rattled by my simple explanation,
and i am one of those types because it doesnt make sense to me,
i didnt say your wrong,
and my response is yes their can be existence without a god and since you dont know what religion you are i dont know which god you are refering to either.

 

[rojse]

I find 'mirror' image of that thought much more interesting.
What if there are aliens who believe in a god and they come here to convert us?
What if they used the same techniques that are being used by today's theists?
What if they used the same techniques used by theists of old?

What if they used new techniques that actually work?
What if there are aliens who believe in the same god as we do?
What if there are aliens that follow the opposite gods of what we do?

There really is not enough smiley faces for thoughts such as these.

 

[kai]

What if they used new techniques that actually work?
What if there are aliens who believe in the same god as we do? which one?
What if there are aliens that follow the opposite gods of what we do? we already do that ourselves

There really is not enough smiley faces for thoughts such as these.

sorry to but in couldnt resist it

 

[iLL_LeaT]

Does neurotheology attempt to explain why people are wired to be religious, or does it not go any further than that?

How can it. That is sort of putting a purpose on religion.
My guess is that it had some survival benefit at some point.

 

[kadzbiz]

To quote someone's signature: "God does not exist: God is existence."

I find it meaningless to attribute such definitions to a phrase.

one by one , all at once would be too much even for a god

You're able to put limits on a God?

.... But just because I cop out and use the "G" word doesn't mean I'm wrong .....

I use the word God when I talk to my "universal energy presence that influences my life" because it's less of a mouthful.

I find 'mirror' image of that thought much more interesting.
What if there are aliens who believe in a god and they come here to convert us?
What if they used the same techniques that are being used by today's theists?
What if they used the same techniques used by theists of old?

What if they used new techniques that actually work?
What if there are aliens who believe in the same god as we do?
What if there are aliens that follow the opposite gods of what we do?

What if, what if? If it's never likely to happen, why bother your mind with it?

 

[kai]

isnt the purpose of religion to explain the unexplanable ,untill it evolves enough to exist only to explain itself.
my guess is it originated around the reality and mysteries of death