But isn't god creating the rules for what constitutes sin?
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Is God a murderer?
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But isn't god creating the rules for what constitutes sin?
Just_me_Mike
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Within context who else but god should determine what sin is?
So, yes sin's meaning must come from god the giver and taker of life.
The reason is if there was no sin there would be no death.
Ok, well, your whole argument is based on, does god commit murder? And if you agree that god is the creator of sin, and god has particular punishments for those who commit sin, death being one of them. Then clearly in your mind god could never be a murderer because he's the one dictating what sin is and isn't. So, there is nothing god can do that would be against his law, because he is the creator of the law, and in a position to change the law whenever he sees fit.
Is God a murderer?
No! he is a just and loving God, who has set before each and every person the choice of eternal life, or eternal death, and refuses to intervene in the lives of those who choose to commit suicide.
With the death of the body, all that remains is the mind/spirit that has developed within that body through the experiences and information taken in through the senses of that body, And what happens to a disembodied mind, is that, which that mind/spirit believes will happen. To those who do not believe in life after the death of the body, nor the resurrection of the dead, but instead, believe that the death of their body in which they had developed as the personality of godhead to that body, is the total end to life, then so will it be.
No! he is a just and loving God, who has set before each and every person the choice of eternal life, or eternal death, and refuses to intervene in the lives of those who choose to commit suicide.
With the death of the body, all that remains is the mind/spirit that has developed within that body through the experiences and information taken in through the senses of that body, And what happens to a disembodied mind, is that, which that mind/spirit believes will happen. To those who do not believe in life after the death of the body, nor the resurrection of the dead, but instead, believe that the death of their body in which they had developed as the personality of godhead to that body, is the total end to life, then so will it be.
Just_me_Mike
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In the context of the bible, everyone deserves to be killed. It is a complete mystery in the context of the bible why God would save anyone, as everyone is equally guilty of sin.
I judge no one, and don't care to do so, for I myself in the context of the bible am no different than you, so as soon as I judge you I judge myself.
My hopes are that if any of the context is true, we might be found on the good side of whatever happens in life.
I agree, in the context of the bible nearly everyone is deserving of death. Thats why I think the bible is one of the most immoral doctrines ever. But that aside, my question was, do you think that the canaanites were deserving of death for the sin that they had committed?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
That must be it! Why else would the ancient Jews, I mean er- God kill innocent Canaanites? It all makes sense now!
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Sure, and which law change particularly bothers you, if you were bound to such a context?
Well, a vast majority of the laws bother me. For instance, eternal punishment for finite crimes bothers me.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
But you can't just "take the babies out of it."
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I understand.
The bible is offensive on every level of our human being. It is the exact opposite of our nature and what we feel like we are. That is why it hexes some and repels others. I am not aware of any other book that is that potent.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I don't intend to, that was just for you...
I don't know, the qur'an might be just as potent. Considering the time frame in which these books were written, it's not that surprising that they're repulsing, these men had a very thin view of reality and morality.
Just_me_Mike
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I would wager we have come no further, but have learned how to better conceal the nastiness of mankind.
When you say, we have come no further. Do you mean in a morality sense? Because we have, and in a very big way. In most civilized counties there aren't blaspheme laws, where the punishment is death. And most of the laws in the bible aren't even en-active laws, we don't enslave people anymore, or own them as property. I would say we've come a long way from the band of roving thugs who wrote the bible.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Try not paying your taxes, and see who really owns you...
Like I said, it is just concealed now...
Right, but if I don't pay my taxes, no one is going to barge into my house, rape my girlfriend and chop my head off. The government doesn't own me, if I didn't want to pay taxes I could just become homeless.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Sure, and back in the day you could run away from the leaders too. In fact it was probably easier back then to run away.
Ok, but if someone is not paying there taxes, thats a much different scenario than someone being killed over what they do or don't believe. We've progressed, yes we have laws in place for making sure people pay taxes and etc... But these are reasonable applications of law. If you want to say that because I don't have the same particular beliefs that you have, therefore I am deserving of death, that doesn't seam to be reasonable or rational.