Is God a Mystery that Will Never be Solved?

[Jollybear]

Why would I agree with that?

Why? Because you just said you dont speak for everyone, that includes me.

 

[Prometheus85]

Why? Because you just said you dont speak for everyone, that includes me.

What? Is there something your not understanding when I said

“That’s how I see it” (also to my way of thinking) used before telling someone your opinion

 

[Prometheus85]

Ok, so if your not speaking for everyone, then you agree some people, like myself believe in God and obey his laws out of evidence, love and trust rather then fear then?

Can u Please point out to me in my qoute were I was speaking for everyone? And a suggestion that I would agree that some people like yourself believe in god and obey his laws out of evidence, love and trust rather than fear.

 

[Jollybear]

What? Is there something your not understanding when I said

“That’s how I see it” (also to my way of thinking) used before telling someone your opinion

I told you i believe in God based on evidence i see and i obey God out of trust, not fear.

Now, do you believe me that THIS is in fact my motives for believing and obeying God? Yes or no?

 

[Prometheus85]

I told you i believe in God based on evidence i see and i obey God out of trust, not fear.

Now, do you believe me that THIS is in fact my motives for believing and obeying God? Yes or no?

Whatever floats your boat

 

[Jollybear]

Whatever floats your boat

Whatever floats my boat huh? Really? Whats that suppose to mean?

Can anyone believe and obey God out of seeing evidence and out of trust, not fear? Anyone at all?

I conceded that some people believe and obey God out of fear, but can you concede that anyone can believe and obey not based on fear? Can you? Yes or no?

 

[Prometheus85]

Whatever floats my boat huh? Really?

Can anyone believe and obey God out of seeing evidence and out of trust, not fear? Anyone at all?

I conceded that some people believe and obey God out of fear, but can you concede that anyone can believe and obey not based on fear? Can you? Yes or no?

If I recall. I told you when U debate someone make sure your informed and understand what your debating.

I never said people believe and obey gods out of fear. I said god is nothing more than a construct created by man to install fear and promote order -- e.g ten commandments, fear of the gods wrath, heaven and hell so the people don't step out of line etc).

Now your either misrepresenting what I said or you just didn’t understand what I said. You be the judge.

 

[Jollybear]

Yes. It is. The concept of divine God/s was made up by leaders or governors in ancient history, and it was a good thing to satisfy humankind's perceived need to worship (and to establish law and order -- e.g ten commandments, fear of the god/s, heaven and hell so the people don't step out line.

God is nothing more than a construct created by man to inspire fear and promote order.

That’s how I see it anyway.

Heres your full qoute. You said "fear of the gods" and "inspire fear" and "God is a construct created by man"

Im simply asking you a question in order for you to clarify.

Are you saying ALL people believe in God blindly and obey God out of fear?

Do you concede that ANYONE can believe in God based on what they atleast percieve as evidence and can they obey God out of love and trust, NOT fear? Can ANYONE do this? Yes or no? Im not asking you if EVERYONE does this, im asking you can anyone do it? Yes or no? Please clarify for me and the whole world.

 

[Prometheus85]

Heres your full qoute. You said "fear of the gods" and "inspire fear" and "God is a construct created by man"

Im simply asking you a question in order for you to clarify.

Are you saying ALL people believe in God blindly and obey God out of fear?

Do you concede that ANYONE can believe in God based on what they atleast percieve as evidence and can they obey God out of love and trust, NOT fear? Can ANYONE do this? Yes or no? Im not asking you if EVERYONE does this, im asking you can anyone do it? Yes or no? Please clarify for me and the whole world.

I see how you removed words form my quote and from its surrounding matter in a way distort its intended meaning.

“Fear of the gods”

“Inspirer fear”

By you asking me am I saying all people believe in god blindly and obey out of fear is your way of Changing the Meaning of what I said with Selective Quotes

Can u please point out to me in my qoute were I said people obey god out of fear and follow blindly please?

 

[Prometheus85]

Heres your full qoute. You said "fear of the gods" and "inspire fear" and "God is a construct created by man"

Im simply asking you a question in order for you to clarify.

Are you saying ALL people believe in God blindly and obey God out of fear?

Do you concede that ANYONE can believe in God based on what they atleast percieve as evidence and can they obey God out of love and trust, NOT fear? Can ANYONE do this? Yes or no? Im not asking you if EVERYONE does this, im asking you can anyone do it? Yes or no? Please clarify for me and the whole world.

What your doing is taking my words outta context and created a straw man argument.

Your giving the impression of refuting my argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented be me at all.

. Ask yourself, what is the main question or argument being made, to ensure that you are not just preaching or otherwise making a series of assertions. Because as of right now it looks like your making assertions and preaching.

 

[Jollybear]

I see how you removed words form my quote and from its surrounding matter in a way distort its intended meaning.

“Fear of the gods”

“Inspirer fear”

By you asking me am I saying all people believe in god blindly and obey out of fear is your way of Changing the Meaning of what I said with Selective Quotes

Can u please point out to me in my qoute were I said people obey god out of fear and follow blindly please?

Actually, i qouted your full qoute for everyone to see. Then i just simply pointed out the parts i want you to clarify for us all. I didnt CHANGE ANYTHING you said. I simply am ASKING you to CLARIFY WHAT YOUR saying by ANSWERING my question, something you appear to have a problem answering, i wonder why?

How is asking a question to clarify meant to be misrepresenting your words or changing there meaning?

Im asking you to CLARIFY your meaning. That dont change your meaning. Thats a bit odd that you come to that conclusion.

All ive been asking is do you concede that ANYONE can believe and obey God based on love and trust and what they perceive as evidence? Yes or no? Its a simple question, why wont you answer it?

 

[Jollybear]

What your doing is taking my words outta context and created a straw man argument.

Your giving the impression of refuting my argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented be me at all.

. Ask yourself, what is the main question or argument being made, to ensure that you are not just preaching or otherwise making a series of assertions. Because as of right now it looks like your making assertions and preaching.

How am i preaching or asserting anything when all ive done is ASK you a clarifying question!? Good greef.

 

[Prometheus85]

Actually, i qouted your full qoute for everyone to see. Then i just simply pointed out the parts i want you to clarify for us all. I didnt CHANGE ANYTHING you said. I simply am ASKING you to CLARIFY WHAT YOUR saying by ANSWERING my question, something you appear to have a problem answering, i wonder why?

How is asking a question to clarify meant to be misrepresenting your words or changing there meaning?

Im asking you to CLARIFY your meaning. That dont change your meaning. Thats a bit odd that you come to that conclusion.

All ive been asking is do you concede that ANYONE can believe and obey God based on love and trust and what they perceive as evidence? Yes or no? Its a simple question, why wont you answer it?

First off, who’s “us”
Second I made my thoughts pretty clear in my quote. For u to ask me to clarify what I meant in the opinion I gave makes no sense.

Third. I told u already that I said god is construct created by man to install fear and order and I gave examples of those constructs( Ten Commandments, heaven and hell) How in the heck did u take that as me saying people blindly obey god out of fear?

Fourth: you said u want me to clarify parts of what I said that u pointed out, then u say u want me to clarify by ANSWERING your question lol you’re preaching at this point

 

[Prometheus85]

Actually, i qouted your full qoute for everyone to see. Then i just simply pointed out the parts i want you to clarify for us all. I didnt CHANGE ANYTHING you said. I simply am ASKING you to CLARIFY WHAT YOUR saying by ANSWERING my question, something you appear to have a problem answering, i wonder why?

How is asking a question to clarify meant to be misrepresenting your words or changing there meaning?

Im asking you to CLARIFY your meaning. That dont change your meaning. Thats a bit odd that you come to that conclusion.

All ive been asking is do you concede that ANYONE can believe and obey God based on love and trust and what they perceive as evidence? Yes or no? Its a simple question, why wont you answer it?

Also u want me to CONCEDE
Concede is to admit that something is true or valid after first denying or resisting it.

When did I ever deny or resist the question the your asking me???

The answer is never because that’s a question that has nothing to do with my argument or the premis of this thread. If u believe in god based on love and trust then good for u. What does that have to do with “is god a mystery that will never be solved”

 

[Jollybear]

First off, who’s “us”
Second I made my thoughts pretty clear in my quote. For u to ask me to clarify what I meant in the opinion I gave makes no sense.

Third. I told u already that I said god is construct created by man to install fear and order and I gave examples of those constructs( Ten Commandments, heaven and hell) How in the heck did u take that as me saying people blindly obey god out of fear?

Fourth: you said u want me to clarify parts of what I said that u pointed out, then u say u want me to clarify by ANSWERING your question lol you’re preaching at this point

Clarify for US is all the viewers that look at this thread.

Yes, it does make sense for me to ask a clarifying question because not everyone believes blindly and not everyone obays out of fear.

So, yes it makes sense for me to ask you if your saying do ALL people who believe in God do so blindly and obey out of fear?

Im not saying your saying all people obey out of fear and believe God blindly. Im asking you IF thats what your saying.

You said God is created to install fear, then gave the ten commandments as example.

Ok, let me ask you again, can ANYONE obey the ten commandments NOT OUT OF FEAR, but out of love and trust for God?

Please CLARIFY

 

[Jollybear]

Also u want me to CONCEDE
Concede is to admit that something is true or valid after first denying or resisting it.

When did I ever deny or resist the question the your asking me???

The answer is never because that’s a question that has nothing to do with my argument or the premis of this thread. If u believe in god based on love and trust then good for u. What does that have to do with “is god a mystery that will never be solved”

When? Are you kidding me or something? Your not answering nor have you answered the question

 

[Jollybear]

The other question is why wont you answer my clarifying question?

 

[Prometheus85]

Clarify for US is all the viewers that look at this thread.

Yes, it does make sense for me to ask a clarifying question because not everyone believes blindly and not everyone obays out of fear.

So, yes it makes sense for me to ask you if your saying do ALL people who believe in God do so blindly and obey out of fear?

Im not saying your saying all people obey out of fear and believe God blindly. Im asking you IF thats what your saying.

You said God is created to install fear, then gave the ten commandments as example.

Ok, let me ask you again, can ANYONE obey the ten commandments NOT OUT OF FEAR, but out of love and trust for God?

Please CLARIFY

I never said people follow god blindly and out of fear you did.

I said god is a construct created by man to install fear and order. I gave examples of those constructs and now your asking me questions about those lmao. No matter what I say your not going to accept it. You don’t want to have a honest debate, all u wanna do is distort what I say so u can preach.

 

[Jollybear]

The facts are this. You said God is a construct created by man to install fear. Fear of the gods. Then gave ten commandments. You said people who believe in God do so blindly

You never said anyone can obey out of love. You never said anyone can believe out of percieved evidence.

So, i ask you a clarifying question.

Do you believe ANYONE can believe from percieved evidence and obey out of love and trust? Yes or no? Why wont you answer?

 

[Jollybear]

I never said people follow god blindly and out of fear you did.

I said god is a construct created by man to install fear and order. I gave examples of those constructs and now your asking me questions about those lmao. No matter what I say your not going to accept it. You don’t want to have a honest debate, all u wanna do is distort what I say so u can preach.

Now your saying im being dishonest AGAIN? Breaking the rules, AGAIN. Incredable.