Is god evil

[Brian2]

I think you overstate when you say "known". What you mean is that she was told stuff. Told stuff by God and told stuff by the Serpent. She had no good reason to choose God over the Serpent other than he was the first supernatural being that she encountered.

She would have been told stuff by Adam also.
She knew God as her maker and ended up believing someone else who told lies about God.
Maybe that was because it looked as if she may gain something from believing the serpent (wisdom and being more like God) and was willing to take the chance with dying.
She chose because she wanted something she did not have and she did not bother to and ask God or Adam what they thought.

 

[ppp]

She would have been told stuff by Adam also.

Adam could have been lying. Adam and God could have been the deceptive ones could be the deceitful ones as easily as the Serpent.

She knew God as her maker

She knew was told that God was her maker. For all she knew Adam and God found her, then told her that God had made her when she gained conciousness.

ended up believing someone else who told lies about God

I don't recall any lies told by the Serpent.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If I hypothetically put a loaded gun in a room of kids and tell them not to touch it. Do I bear any responsibility when one of them injures them self or or others?

I think I do. But y'all seem to think otherwise.

Diversion.
The question was "who is to blame?"

If you are told not to do something and you do it, you are to blame.

 

[ppp]

Diversion. The question was "who is to blame?"

If I lay an apple on the table and tell you don't eat that or you will die,, but you choose to eat it anyway and die..
Is that my fault

You don't get to pose a hypothetical then cry "diversion" when you get one tossed back at you.

If you are told not to do something and you do it, you are to blame.

If you drop a loaded gun into a playground you are the one responsible when someone gets shot.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If you drop a loaded gun into a playground you are the one responsible when someone gets shot.

That's not the situation.
Adam and Eve are not children.

 

[ppp]

That's not the situation.
Adam and Eve are not children.

Effectively they were. They lacked experience or sophistication. And they literally had no knowledge of good or evil.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If I baked a fresh pie and put it on the table in front of you, the smell going straight to your nose making your mouth water, and I told you not to eat it or you'll die, would that make me evil? Not necessarily, but why in the world would I bake that pie in the first place?

It was just one tree that grew among many.
That wasn’t the only fruit in Eden.

If it was, you would have a point.

But Eden was loaded with all the food they could want.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If(yeah an if lol) it was true that from this day forward you would live forever if you didn't eat chocolate(or pick your food).
Would you eat still chocolate?

i would eat the *other* chocolates in the Garden, that weren’t forbidden.
There were plenty of others!

 

[Brian2]

I don't recall any lies told by the Serpent.

God punished the serpent for something. What do you think God punished the serpent for?
Do you think that Genesis 3:4 is translated correctly in these translations?
Genesis 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent told her.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Effectively they were. They lacked experience or sophistication. And they literally had no knowledge of good or evil.

Effectively they had all they needed to obey. BTW what is good and evil? Do you even know?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Living for ever would eventually suc…

Do you really think so? There’s some things I never get tired of! And there would be so much to learn and invent and do and explore!

Variety is the spice of life, right?
Now think of this: animals through mutations change over time. Living forever, we would be able to observe this evolution, and over time we would always be discovering new species!
The topography of earth itself would change… there would be new features revealed.

Always something new, eventually. And your offspring’s offspring’s offspring’s offspring…. Etc. I would love that.

So, the center of Australia is populated, the Sahara is populated…all the deserts ‘blossoming as the saffron’ as the Bible puts it, and ‘tops of mountains growing food’. And the Earth gets full …

By this time, human technology will be advanced enough to take us to the Moon & Mars to terraform & inhabit them. Then, Titan.
Etc., etc., etc.

i can envision a lot! Especially with God directing our advances safely, and living under His protection… as He intended with A&E.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What form does this taking of responsibility take?

What about my answer do you not understand?
Am I misunderstanding your question?
If so, then please elaborate..

 

[ppp]

God punished the serpent for something. What do you think God punished the serpent for?
Do you think that Genesis 3:4 is translated correctly in these translations?
Genesis 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent told her.

Not in (and I love saying this) context. Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

 

[ppp]

Effectively they had all they needed to obey.

Nope.

BTW what is good and evil? Do you even know?

Don't be coy. If you have an opinion on the matter then spit it out.

 

[ppp]

What about my answer do you not understand?
Am I misunderstanding your question?
If so, then please elaborate..

Taking responsibility for your actions involves owning up to the positive and negative consequences of your choices and behavior, rather than attributing them to external factors or others' actions; acknowledging your fault; and making amends for your negative impacts to those you have affected.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Taking responsibility for your actions involves owning up to the positive and negative consequences of your choices and behavior, rather than attributing them to external factors or others' actions; acknowledging your fault; and making amends for your negative impacts to those you have affected.

Sorry .. how does that make sense, in light of my post about God not being "a person" ?
Is "God" supposed to say "yes you are right .. it was an unfair test .. my bad"

Almighty God is the Fairest of all Judges.
You, my friend, are not !

THEY WERE WARNED .. THEY HAD INTELLIGENCE [much like you, really]

 

[ppp]

Sorry .. how does that make sense, in light of my post about God not being "a person" ?

Not my problem. You are the one who said "take responsibility". If the actual meaning of the term is something that does not apply to your god, that is your mistake.

Almighty God is the Fairest of all Judges.

There is no evidence that you (or anyone else) knows that, or is capable of knowing that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Not my problem. You are the one who said "take responsibility"..

That's right.
Almighty God is responsible for giving life and taking life..
How about you? What are you responsible for?

 

[dybmh]

God punished the serpent for something. What do you think God punished the serpent for?

the serpent wanted to be punished. it was part of the plan. the serpent aspired to be the most cursed, it was in its nature.

 

[dybmh]

Effectively they had all they needed to obey.

how did they learn/know about falsehood?