Is God good? Is God loving?

[Segev Moran]

If God is good and God is loving what is the evidence? This is all about evidence. I don’t want to see any scriptures because they are not evidence.

The concept of good or bad is not relevant to god.
Imagine a scale going from worst to best.
God is not on a specific part of that scale rather external to it thus containing its entirety.

Look around you in this world. What evidence do you see that would indicate that a good/loving God exists?

The mere fact we exist can only be a result of a good process.
It all depends what you refer to as good.
In the scope of the entire universe, we don't know if it is a good thing or not the humans exist. From the humans POV, it is good we do exist
So eventually, it all depends on the POV.

I am trying to be objective about this rather than being influenced by my own feelings and life experiences which do not constitute evidence.

Good and Bad are relative concepts. What seems good to you might be bad for me and vice versa.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You still dont have any evidence that "Brahman is energy". You quote scripture like a bible thumper who wants you to believe something because "the bible say so". So much for an anti religionist propagandist.

Why can't you understand, Firedragon, that what people term as 'physical energy', people like me of Hinduism term it as 'Brahman'? They are one and the same. My books say so, as well as science too says so.

 

[firedragon]

Why can't you understand, Firedragon, that what people term as 'physical energy', people like me of Hinduism term it as 'Brahman'? They are one and the same. My books say so, as well as science too says so.

Cmon Aup. You are quoting "your books" as if they are divine revelation. But you oppose theists who do so and ridicule them like they are born idiots. It's hypocritical.

 

[F1fan]

There are actually mean people but most people are good. Interactions will let one decide for theirselves.

Another good example. How does a person interact with any of the thousands of gods?

Could it be how parents of a child dying from a genetic disease who pray for a miracle that never comes inform them that their God is mean?

 

[Koldo]

Infinite chain is proven impossible by many proofs. I'm not talking about time, even without time, put an infinite chain of effects and causes, there needs to be a cause that is not an effect or a self-causing effect.

Western Academics try to downplay this by saying it's applying parts to the whole fallacy, saying, the whole chain is an effect, but that's only one proof philosophically for it and even that proof is by induction and not applying parts to the whole.

There are many philosophical proofs against infinite chain.

Where do you see an infinite chain?

 

[Koldo]

Err. What grounds does that need? The problem is a new thread or old thread would attract illogical questions from atheists especially. No offence but that's the reality. So its an absolute waste of time.

Apologies.

It is never a waste of time to enlighten minds.
You have made a claim that deserves substantiation.

 

[Koldo]

I genuinely do not understand what you mean by "evil God." Do you mean that the existence of this being is evil? Do you mean that this being only does evil? Something else? Because both of those things are to me inconceivable to apply to the word "God." It is genuinely like asking me to think of an "empty fullness" or "square circle," I can not mentally conceive of it.

How would you call an omnipotent, omniscient and omnimalevolent creator being? I call it evil God.

 

[We Never Know]

Another good example. How does a person interact with any of the thousands of gods?

I would suppose they first have to pick one and then go from there.

Could it be how parents of a child dying from a genetic disease who pray for a miracle that never comes inform them that their God is mean?

I don't know. Maybe they see being able to have a child, even for a short time as a miracle. And they may believe they will one day be reunited with it.

 

[Etritonakin]

If God is good and God is loving what is the evidence? This is all about evidence. I don’t want to see any scriptures because they are not evidence.

Look around you in this world. What evidence do you see that would indicate that a good/loving God exists? I am trying to be objective about this rather than being influenced by my own feelings and life experiences which do not constitute evidence.

Yes!

The bottom line is that we are all arrangements of matter and energies -as is our environment -and we lack experience.
Our arrangements -and the arrangement of our environment -are being adversely affected as we gain experience.
However, all the patterns are stored -can become arranged correctly again -and even be edited and improved.

We each live about 120 years or less individually -and mankind -at least since Adam (bible indicates others on Earth at the time) -will have about 6,000 years collective experience without God's direct rule.

Then they will be made like God.

Phil 3:21 "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

If you look at it from the perspective of God bringing us up to seed concerning what may have taken him bajillions of years to become.... it's very efficient -and loving!
-Especially considering that these former things will eventually not be remembered....

Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I am creating new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."

 

[We Never Know]

How would you call an omnipotent, omniscient and omnimalevolent creator being? I call it evil God.

Has evil always existed or is it a creation of humans? D o chimps and other species perceive evil?

 

[firedragon]

It is never a waste of time to enlighten minds.
You have made a claim that deserves substantiation.

Okay. No problem. In that case you have to have the humility to follow through, and from my experience, I have not found a single individual in our very forum who has it. Thats the problem.

Anyway, try and understand what a contingent being is. I have already explained it in the post you responded to. When you ask your question "how can a contingent being be contingent upon a necessary being", it is like asking "how can a human being be born"? It is an illogical question.

Contingent by definition is contingent.

Do you understand that?

 

[Fool]

If God is good and God is loving what is the evidence? This is all about evidence. I don’t want to see any scriptures because they are not evidence.

Look around you in this world. What evidence do you see that would indicate that a good/loving God exists? I am trying to be objective about this rather than being influenced by my own feelings and life experiences which do not constitute evidence.

love is good. love is necessary for physical and psychological(mental/spiritual) growth.

 

[Koldo]

Has evil always existed or is it a creation of humans? D o chimps and other species perceive evil?

Even if objective morality existed it wouldn't mean that chimps would be able to perceive it. As for your first question, why does it matter?

 

[Koldo]

Okay. No problem. In that case you have to have the humility to follow through, and from my experience, I have not found a single individual in our very forum who has it. Thats the problem.

Anyway, try and understand what a contingent being is. I have already explained it in the post you responded to. When you ask your question "how can a contingent being be contingent upon a necessary being", it is like asking "how can a human being be born"? It is an illogical question.

Contingent by definition is contingent.

Do you understand that?

No. I don't understand. To say that something is contingent is to say that it exists, but it could be the case it didn't. To affirm that something is contingent I don't need to refer to anything that must necessarily exist. Thus the reason why I am asking you to substantiate the claim.

 

[We Never Know]

Even if objective morality existed it wouldn't mean that chimps would be able to perceive it. As for your first question, why does it matter?

It doesn't matter to me. However for a person to say a god is evil or good, it seems it matters to them.

 

[Koldo]

It doesn't matter to me. However for a person to say a god is evil or good, it seems it matters to them.

Please explain why it would matter if a person says that God is evil or good.

 

[Sheldon]

You have life, and you have the ability to love and be loved, and none of this came about by your own accord. Be grateful for your existence, and for the potential for man to live in harmony, peace and joy.

Is this the planet earth you're referring to?

 

[robocop (actually)]

If God is good and God is loving what is the evidence? This is all about evidence. I don’t want to see any scriptures because they are not evidence.

Look around you in this world. What evidence do you see that would indicate that a good/loving God exists? I am trying to be objective about this rather than being influenced by my own feelings and life experiences which do not constitute evidence.

That the human race has screwed up so bad and so many have it so good. Africans have cell phones.

 

[We Never Know]

Please explain why it would matter if a person says that God is evil or good.

In my opinion people that believe a god exists describe it to be good.
Why does someone describe how a god is if a god is nonexistent to them?

 

[firedragon]

No. I don't understand. To say that something is contingent is to say that it exists, but it could be the case it didn't. To affirm that something is contingent I don't need to refer to anything that must necessarily exist. Thus the reason why I am asking you to substantiate the claim.

Your sentence does not make any sense Koido. Never mind. Can you just do a quick search "contingent being"? Maybe if you read off the internet you will understand better because you will probably trust it. Or if you have something like an encyclopaedia of philosophy, that would be even better. Routledge, "Edward Craig" is highly recommended.

Having said that, you are asking about a contingent "something" is to say it exists. Maybe you didnt read the post you responded to. I used the "laptop" as an example. If you read again, maybe you understand.

I think when @Trailblazer is typing out her posts here, she knows her laptop exists. Hope you understand.