erm so your say that relaying on people is an emotional weakness or something? this is were we are at a crossroads I think, being independant doesnt mean there is no relience, and relience doesnt mean that your some needy individual themselves. i am a well rounded adult and i love my mother, and i am emotionally attached to her, but im still independant, im still doin my own thing.
Being emotionally needy is a weakness. Not being able to support oneself financially with one's own talents is a weakness. Some weaknesses are not the fault of the person because they can't help it, but that's an aspect of what weakness is. Nobody is 100% without weakness.
More importantly, teaching someone to rely on someone else is the problem and what I am comparing your description of god to.
erm are you comparing God to a mother? now thats just silly, i dont get my morality from my mother, Goodness does not stem from my mother, my mother isnt omnisceint, omnipotent etc, that is a silly statement Pen.
I don't think it's silly. The parent/child analogy is a common one for gods and mortals.
And the fact that your mother is neither omniscient or omnipotent yet was STILL wise enough to teach you to be an independent person is not a defense of your position but rather a criticism of it. The parent analogy is appropriate. A friend analogy or a boss analogy can work too.
A bad boss doesn't delegate, and doesn't let employees think for themselves or make their own decisions. A bad friend wants to be the center of attention and wants her friends to need her more than she needs them. A bad parent is unable or unwilling to teach her children to be strong and independent people, and instead raises emotionally needed, poorly-adjusted people.
Why would a god want people to be needy? Why not teach them to be free, to be gods?
if you deny a part of a person aka their devotion to something, then you arnt taking the person as a whole.
I'm not denying their devotion, and I am taking the person as a whole.
Someone who, without their devotion, would not be kind, is an immoral person. They apparently lack inherent compassion and must rely on a god to be reasonable people.
no because as we have seen above worship is to a diety not to a person and again, we havnt decided on what extreme in relation to devotion implies, what does it mean to you?
Extreme devotion is devotion that is not helpful to the devotee or the devoted.
A self-actualized person has no need of people worshiping her, and why would she feel a need to worship others?
