prometheus11
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As defined by what method?
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Is God's existence necessary?
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, you are reifying a subjective experience. Wishful thinking.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Mind to mind communion...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
If you're going to make a claim like that then you need to back it up with a detailed description.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Telepathic rapport...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Pure consciousness is non conceptual....it is a knowing without conceptual interpretation.. It is the sharing of the pure consciousness without thoughts...mind to mind awareness of the one mind....What part of "detailed description" didn't you understand?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That's just the usual cliched word salad. If you're making a claim of "mind to mind communion" then you need to back it up with a detailed description of an actual occurrence. Or are you just speculating?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
No speculation Spiny...but concerning who, what, when, where, etc.,...there is a certain wisdom tradition that is relevant here...do not cast pearls before swine lest they......you know the rest...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Don't be evasive, just explain clearly the basis for the claim you have made.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
How is that evasive....it is in ya face Spiny...it is not for the profane...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
If it isn't for the "profane" then don't make wild claims about it on a public forum. Ridiculous behaviour.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Telling the profane that they are incapable of properly understanding esoteric principles on a public forum is appropriate in cases where it is relevant and true...
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Agreed. I'm not profane and understand all esoteric principles. Great stuff.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
We can call that sensation of timelessness in meditation god if we wish, but I don't think it's something that creates this universe or is ruling above it. That said I think it's rather universal to any serious meditator whether theist or non-theist. I expect someone in deep prayer or religious ritual to experience the same no matter their beliefs.
I wonder why not. You might be right, but I do not see the necessity of the inference.
Let's take your claim: there is no natural explanation for why there is something instead of nothing. I am interested to know what you mean. i can only think of two possibilities:
1) there is no explanation. Neither natural nor not-natural. The fact that there is something is just a brute fact of existence
2) there is an explanation, but it cannot be natural
For sake of discussion we can rely on our (naive) intution for what concern the definition of nature. Unless you like to define what you meant with "natural" in your original claim.
So, which one is it?
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McBell
Admiral Obvious
More wishful thinking on your part.Actually, it's insecurity that makes you not realize the truth in the supposition.
Actually, it does.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Evasive patronising nonsense. You made a wild claim and then couldn't substantiate it, it's clear you're just making stuff up to sound cool or superior. It isn't working on either count.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I think he means God as an entity rather than just a concept.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Isn't this just a cop out, though? You are just using poetic language and vague biblical sayings to avoid supporting your claim it seems.