Is God's existence necessary?

[Ben Dhyan]

Nope. And I don't get offended over misconceptions of others, so no worries.

So let me get this straight....since you are offended by what I say, you must consider it not a misconception... haha..

 

[Thief]

Again, I understand this is your claim, but why do you believe this, and how can you be certain?

Science!
or perhaps you know an experiment of the dead coming to life?

(Frankenstein was not a documentary)

 

[Thief]

Thief, power is concerned with power. Power structures are NOT concerned with truth or right and wrong or making honorable, just decisions.

Jesus spoke truth to power. Of course they killed him. Try this: go onto another Internet forum (not this one). There, like Jesus did, speak truth to the folks in charge ( that other forum's moderating team). Make sure to call those other mods at that other forum "pigs" and "snakes." Guess what they'll do, regardless f how right or truthful you are? Yep. They'll crucify you.

Power acts in its own self interest, never to do justice or honor truth or behave righteously. It's what power does.

Shall we expect the same....of God?

 

[Thief]

If this is the best you got in support of your claim:

"there is no natural explanation for why there is something instead of nothing"​

then you got nothing.

demonstrate the better argument.....
your denial is unsubstantiated.

 

[prometheus11]

Don't flatter yourself ben d. You don't offend me at all. You're a delight for a variety of reasons. I'm just honest about hypocrisy and pride in people who make wild claims of extravagant interconnectedness of reality that mirror their own opinion.

 

[Thief]

Don't flatter yourself ben d. You don't offend me at all. You're a delight for a variety of reasons. I'm just honest about hypocrisy and pride in people who make wild claims of extravagant interconnectedness of reality that mirror their own opinion.

Therefore, you are here to make that all important choice.....
Spirit first?
or substance?
it's one or the other

 

[prometheus11]

Yes, thief, we shall, if your god is obsessed with the show of power over decency. You know the type. The ones who command genocide and cause destruction on a global scale.

 

[prometheus11]

Oh, you can have both, don't you know.

Substance IS spirit. Duh

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Don't flatter yourself ben d. You don't offend me at all. You're a delight for a variety of reasons. I'm just honest about hypocrisy and pride in people who make wild claims of extravagant interconnectedness of reality that mirror their own opinion.

Well I shudder the thought of what you would say about someone whom did offend you...anyone here at RF offend you yet?

 

[Unification]

That's why the claim is not that a natural explanation exists, but, rather, there is no reason to believe that we won't some day be able to find one. Claiming that one cannot exist is assuming quite a bit more.

Is the human "mind/being" necessary to find answers?

For me, that's the precise question of this thread in an alterior way.

 

[Thief]

Oh, you can have both, don't you know.

Substance IS spirit. Duh

and you believe that?

 

[prometheus11]

No. An entity has offended common decency, here, but I'm not allowed to discuss it.

 

[prometheus11]

Yep

 

[Thief]

substance is dead.
the dead cannot beget the living

duh

 

[prometheus11]

Oh, and so you know, ben, if a person offends our common decency (which is rare by my standards), I tend to politely leave the discussion.
However, it is offensive to behave as if God has not brought every person into your life to teach you to the same degree that you learn from them. No more, no less. Does that make sense?

 

[prometheus11]

Spirit is substance. One makes up the other and is made up of the other. Truth needs no confirmation other than itself.

 

[prometheus11]

Were you not dead until made alive in God? Of course life comes from death. There is LITERALLY no other source for life than from death.

 

[Thief]

Spirit is substance. One makes up the other and is made up of the other. Truth needs no confirmation other than itself.

you might expand that 'truth' a bit more....

and ...no... dead things do not self animate.

 

[prometheus11]

I never said that dead things self animate. Pay attention. We're discussing concepts, not events.

 

[prometheus11]

Spirit is substance. Substance is spirit. They appear as required by your spirit and your substance. One is identified and defined by the other because of the power and beauty of the other.