Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, it's a Biblical reference which implies a sense of superiority. The person using it is more likely to have an over-inflated ego.
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No, it's a Biblical reference which implies a sense of superiority. The person using it is more likely to have an over-inflated ego.
Unification
Well-Known Member
It is a "biblical" reference and you either find personal virtue/wisdom in that or you don't.
Sure, it often is by some and often isn't by some.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Do you mean my own subjective experience? If so, I would certainly consider that as "I". But, as we all know, what we experience has gotten to us via our senses and often is flawed. Even the appearance and/or ability to experience color changes from person to person.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
just saw a science program about color......it does not exist.
see Brain Games
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Thief
Rogue Theologian
heheheDon't get a job as an electrician then, and don't drive through any traffic lights.
no really.....this reality is a construct.
that you claim to know for sure.....is false.
say again there is no god.....
I would then say.....poor construct.
especially when Someone had to be First.....and you're not Him
or ARE you?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I've seen that episode of Brain Games, actually. Very interesting. The fact that color doesn't exist objectively was what I was pointing to actually.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Why did "someone" have to be first rather than "something"? How can you be so sure?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
something implies dead substance.
If you mean to imply the living....that would be Someone.
and Someone had to be first.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I understand what you meant. My question is why did "someone" have to be first rather than "something"? Why must the cause be living rather than non-living?
i know what naturalists think. This is hardly a rebuttal, and not even close to answer my question. My challenge to you is to show us that your claim "there is no natural explanation for why there is something instead of nothing" has any merit, it is not circular, nor question begging and does not use special pleading.
So, again, what do you mean with your claim?
1) there is no explanation. Neither physical nor not physical. The obvious fact that something exists is a brute fact that does not require explanations.
2) there is an explanation. But it cannot be matural/physical.
As long as you do not justify nor clarify your assertion, I don't see any logical reason to accept it just because you say so.
Ciao
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
the dead (anything not living) cannot beget the living.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Again, I understand this is your claim, but why do you believe this, and how can you be certain?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Thief, power is concerned with power. Power structures are NOT concerned with truth or right and wrong or making honorable, just decisions.
Jesus spoke truth to power. Of course they killed him. Try this: go onto another Internet forum (not this one). There, like Jesus did, speak truth to the folks in charge ( that other forum's moderating team). Make sure to call those other mods at that other forum "pigs" and "snakes." Guess what they'll do, regardless f how right or truthful you are? Yep. They'll crucify you.
Power acts in its own self interest, never to do justice or honor truth or behave righteously. It's what power does.
Jesus spoke truth to power. Of course they killed him. Try this: go onto another Internet forum (not this one). There, like Jesus did, speak truth to the folks in charge ( that other forum's moderating team). Make sure to call those other mods at that other forum "pigs" and "snakes." Guess what they'll do, regardless f how right or truthful you are? Yep. They'll crucify you.
Power acts in its own self interest, never to do justice or honor truth or behave righteously. It's what power does.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Agreed, finally someone who is not afraid...the next questions is....when you see something in you environment, is not this what you see perceived as something that is not you.....is not everything in existence external to you perceived as not you?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Oh, you'll end up calling him a pig in a condescending post full of haughty arrogance soon enough.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
And....there it is. On cue. The ole standby, boring mudslinging response. Jesus would be proud.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok...there is nothing to stop you from joining me in a journey of discovery....do you accept that the I of your body, is you....and that all you perceive external to you is not you?