It has the same meaning that you attributed to it when you said "there is no NATURAL explanation for there being something instead of nothing".
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Is God's existence necessary?
- Thread starter Gambit
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It has the same meaning that you attributed to it when you said "there is no NATURAL explanation for there being something instead of nothing".
Ciao
- viole
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Forms of parts are not only things that can change.
Describe such a change.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
The physical universe (multiverse) is not self-explanatory.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Content such as weight, meaning, material, living, dead...
Jumi
Well-Known Member
I didn't say never. Everything is in a state of change.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Agreed. That's why we must posit a being whose existence is necessary in order to account for a world of contingent beings.
arthra
Baha'i
So the answer is "yes" with reasons given.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Why do you believe God's existence is (metaphysically) necessary?
Gambit
Well-Known Member
God is ephemeral?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Why do you ask the question?
Kartari
Active Member
Hi Gambit,
No, if you mean necessary for existence to be. Alternative and more logically consistent hypotheses can easily be postulated to explain the universe's existence absent of any given, meaningful definition of God (e.g. M-theory and other multiverse conceptions, the concept that the universe ever expands and contracts in natural cycles, etc.). Indeed, there is too much confusion and contradiction to weed through before we can even begin to arrive at a clear definition of what God might even be, much less begin to use the concept to satisfactorily explain how our universe may have been created by such a being.
No, if you mean necessary for existence to be. Alternative and more logically consistent hypotheses can easily be postulated to explain the universe's existence absent of any given, meaningful definition of God (e.g. M-theory and other multiverse conceptions, the concept that the universe ever expands and contracts in natural cycles, etc.). Indeed, there is too much confusion and contradiction to weed through before we can even begin to arrive at a clear definition of what God might even be, much less begin to use the concept to satisfactorily explain how our universe may have been created by such a being.
Kartari
Active Member
"Must?" Not so imo. It's not hard for me to think of alternative explanations for how an ever-changing universe can exist without any given God concept. Indeed, I see no reason why the ever-changing nature of our universe would require this to exist.
Kartari
Active Member
Actually there are several explanations, at least, a few of which I have already mentioned.
How does content not change form?
Jumi
Well-Known Member
I see that in English form includes content? I was thinking the word meant only the shape. If your formless God has absolutely no content then why would it be necessary?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
We don't have to do that at all. The universe is too weird to be explained by limited human notions of "God".
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Other than the people I've interacted with, in 1000 years, will I have mattered?
I only concede that God may interact but may not micromanage everything. Personally, I feel that God is in the energy drive of the universe, that which makes everything go in motion and live and such. However, the Biblical character's necessity is in question. For example, in the bible, Yahweh goes to the Council of El to complain the other gods are lazy and apathetic to humans. Now Yahweh's getting the same lecture.
Because something happened. Even WITH gods there need be no PURPOSE to it. Everyone likes to think some god made us special, etc. However, what if He were just playing around as a kid and grew up, moved away, and we are all just Andy's toys never being played with again?
Blasphemy. It's always been 42.
The thing is, that is only one conception of the divine. However, other gods have been born, died, etc.
From our perspective, yes. From the deity's perspective, no, as what it does is natural to it, right?