Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Without man any belief in God would not exist.
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Is God's existence necessary?
- Thread starter Gambit
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Without man any belief in God would not exist.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
How do you know? If it is formless how could you know?
Without man belief in science and evolution wouldn't exist, your point??? Although I'm sure animals believe in God, in many respects they are smarter than humans.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
My point is that "God" is a product of the human mind. Man made God, not God made man.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Sure, but science is based on evidence, not on imagination and wishful thinking.
That's simply your opinion, and a good reason why there is not any point in debating with you, your mind is made up, of what, I don't know, probably Ice Cream!!
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Oldsoul
Member
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Oldsoul
Member
Voted "both". God has been a "necessary" part of humanity's understanding until very recently. really, we are only talking about the last two hundred years where atheism has had any serious credibility, even if it has been mainly confined to intellectual circles. a god of some description acts as the "first cause" or "prime mover" to explain why things are the way they are.
However, just because God has been a logically necessary explanation, does not mean it is the correct explanation when we look at these problems scientifically o identify a natural cause. There is some really "complicated" philosophy behind why we'd chose one explanation over another, but the rule of thumb is, is that natural explanations get results; we can repeat the process over and over again to demonstrate there is a causal relationship. miracles are a "one-off". Any attempt to develop an understanding of the universe which eliminates god will have to explain why so many people believed in something that doesn't exist. so even if there is no god- you still have to account why people couldn't find a better explanation for the majority of human history.
However, just because God has been a logically necessary explanation, does not mean it is the correct explanation when we look at these problems scientifically o identify a natural cause. There is some really "complicated" philosophy behind why we'd chose one explanation over another, but the rule of thumb is, is that natural explanations get results; we can repeat the process over and over again to demonstrate there is a causal relationship. miracles are a "one-off". Any attempt to develop an understanding of the universe which eliminates god will have to explain why so many people believed in something that doesn't exist. so even if there is no god- you still have to account why people couldn't find a better explanation for the majority of human history.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Without man any disbelief in God would not exist.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
It is understanding how change is explained in Aristotelian metaphysics.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Human beings have the capacity to make inferences based on what evidence is available.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Science also works by making inferences (e.g. there is no direct evidence for dark matter or dark energy, yet most physicists believe that they exist).
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
They are also prone to wishful thinking, delusion and seeing patterns where none exist.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Ah, so god is no better or worse than science and evolution...
Some how I doubt that is what you meant......
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Are you saying that you cannot debate someone who has, like yourself, already made up their mind?