Is God's existence necessary?

[McBell]

Without man any disbelief in God would not exist.

Making god unnecessary, right?

 

[Gambit]

However, just because God has been a logically necessary explanation, does not mean it is the correct explanation when we look at these problems scientifically o identify a natural cause.

There is no natural explanation for why there is something rather than nothing.

 

[McBell]

There is no natural explanation for why there is something rather than nothing.

Agreed.
However, not knowing does not justify filling in the blank with whatever strikes your fancy

 

[Laika]

There is no natural explanation for why there is something rather than nothing.

That is true. the only way to find a naturalistic argument is reject the premise that "something came out of nothing". A steady-state theory of the orgins of the universe is more consistent with materialism than the Big Bang. The Big Bang sounds like creationism minus the god bit.

 

[Jumi]

It is understanding how change is explained in Aristotelian metaphysics.

What if Aristotle is wrong?

 

[Willamena]

How do you know? If it is formless how could you know?

Because "form" is what changes.

 

[Thief]

Is God's existence (metaphysically) necessary?

is your existence dependent on His?
and in the next life.....it might well be so....

 

[Gambit]

Because "form" is what changes.

Exactly.

 

[viole]

There is no natural explanation for why there is something rather than nothing.

Suppose that I tell you that nature, not God, is necessary, and that this is my "explanation" why there is something instead of nothing.

Now what?

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

Suppose that I tell you that nature, not God, is necessary, and that this is my "explanation" why there is something instead of nothing.

Now what?

Ciao

- viole

um...
Pantheism?

 

[viole]

um...
Pantheism?

Depends on how you define pantheism. Is the pantheistic god supernatural?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Jumi]

Because "form" is what changes.

Only if used in a philosophical sense if that is agreed.

 

[Gambit]

Suppose that I tell you that nature, not God, is necessary, and that this is my "explanation" why there is something instead of nothing.

Define "nature."

 

[Gambit]

Only if used in a philosophical sense if that is agreed.

This is a philosophical debate.

 

[Willamena]

Only if used in a philosophical sense if that is agreed.

I know of no other sense for "change." It's about forms.

 

[Jumi]

This is a philosophical debate.

The definition of form is not agreed. Things can keep their form, but still change.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The results from the poll are clear and conclusive.

 

[Gambit]

The definition of form is not agreed. Things can keep their form, but still change.

Give us an example of the form of something which never undergoes change.

 

[Willamena]

The definition of form is not agreed. Things can keep their form, but still change.

Its parts also have form.

 

[Willamena]

Depends on how you define pantheism.

And nature.