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Is God's love conditional?

Bishadi

Active Member
Maybe a different view might assist.

Is God's love conditional?
No……….. just like gravity, you are a part of everything including God at all moments. And every experience you experience, God experiences as in reality never are you separate from God as he is ‘everything’ at the same time; existence itself; the beginning and the ending; alpha/omega all at the same time.


Do we have to perform certain rituals for God to love us?
They are to experience homage or duty to God or like an oath where you represent your belief in form (rituals). Man created all rituals.
Must we behave a certain way for God to love us?
No…. as you are a part of everything (God) at all times. But to experience Love from among your brethren as an interrelation with others of conscious experience, then Love is directly associated to what you do. And since people are who judge and can remove your name from a book, then history and your continued existence beyond death may be limited by adversities and any selfishness you impose to existence. Of course the total has you recorded in existence but if what you did all your life what for your own self, then not much was contributed for life to continue (good) and what was left will eventually fade to ……………………... well you think about it…


If God's love is conditional, who can we depend on to love us no matter what?
Nature!

As ‘the total’ will always be of love with you, then at all times know existence never leaves you. If at any moment a feeling of loss is felt then wonder if what you may have done was not good or was selfish, then your own conscious has recognized an atrocity (sin) imposed to existence and you may feel alone. Some simply remove or hide the feeling from being known but internally each know and each may even create calluses becoming hardened or even cruel.
Defining what is important to each person defines what ‘they’ love and expect in return. God has no definition but life and existence itself; to honor (love) God and expect in return, is to know life and existence itself.

Would you be more free if you knew God's love was unconditional?
How much more freedom can one get? Do you want magic? Flying carpets? We are rocks that know existence and can choose to create an ever lasting life, by choice………… what more could any rock ever want?


The issue is in understanding what life is and what we are as walking, thinking, collection of cells; molecules of mass that can experience choice. To remove the self as primary to existence and be simply a part of, then God can be realized (enlightenment) and responsibility to our every action can exist; then the needs of things will slowly be reduced as the primary focus of a persons ‘living.’

This information is not based from any One religion but in humble observance to many of them!
Each contributes for us to comprehend. The words are in writing ranging from theology, science and philosophies and each are of contribution to knowledge (an evolution). Each must choose to read in order to understand. The difference of this above is that it represents a universal truth that we are all within this continuum that is God. It is by consciousness that we can experience (him) existence within the form of pure Love (a physical fact that all mass is entangled to everything else; a part of the total; One)

We are all within God at the same moment, look around and see.

And ‘wink’ next time you look in the mirror and say ‘thanks, I made it!’

What I mean is the understanding of the truth exists. Religion or no religion, reality is the final truth to be revealed. Since all nature and all mankind live within existence (natural) that to be able to teach and represent nature in a correct form that is equally true to all mankind then the final revealing is just a ‘learning’ away.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
HOW?
For those that don't believe in him or are really bad people apparently go to hell. That seems like a condition to me.
We all go to God's love at the end, whether we accept or reject it determines whether we experience heaven or hell...
 

Ashley-Yin

Im a happy little Lesbian
Is God's love conditional?
Do we have to perform certain rituals for God to love us?
Must we behave a certain way for God to love us?
If God's love is conditional, who can we depend on to love us no matter what?
Would you be more free if you knew God's love was unconditional?

well this is just another contradiction on gods part or the authors of the bible
god says he loves us all and then says if you do something he hates then you will be in hell apart from him for all eternity.

life itself is conditional.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member

Greetings!

It's not that God's love is conditional, but that it depends upon OUR being willing to receive it!

As it says in the Baha'i scriptures,

"O SON OF SPIRIT!
"Love Me that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, my love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant!"
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #4

Best, :)

Bruce
 

idea

Question Everything
Is God's love conditional?
Do we have to perform certain rituals for God to love us?
Must we behave a certain way for God to love us?
If God's love is conditional, who can we depend on to love us no matter what?
Would you be more free if you knew God's love was unconditional?

I remember the first time I made Thanksgiving dinner - it was pretty hard, you do not realize how hard it is to feed your entire family a nice meal until you actually prepare it yourself. It is not until after you have prepareed the meal for others that you realize all of the hard work that others have done for you...

The point being, you first have to love others before you can fully feel their love for you...

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man,
I put away childish things...

from my personal history....
Is it horrible to say you have to earn the love of others? I know, for some reason everyone thinks that love in a family should be guaranteed, that they should just love you for who you are. I think they do love you for who you are – but you feel guilty, undeserving, and refuse to accept the love at face value unless you do something to merit it. The only way to be able to accept the love people are trying to give you is to actually become a person who is worth something. If you try and tell yourself how great you are rather than admitting faults and changing you end up being a prideful, self-centered good for nothing person who will not accept any love because deep down you know you do not deserve it...

In other words - until you love others, you will not understand what love is, and will therefore not be able to feel loved by others.

You have to love to feel loved.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

to know as we are known...
God loves us, all of us,
but we will only understand His love
when we are able to love as He does...



It's not that God's love is conditional, but that it depends upon OUR being willing to receive it!

As it says in the Baha'i scriptures,

"O SON OF SPIRIT!
"Love Me that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, my love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant!"
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #4

wise words :)
 

misanthropic_clown

Active Member
I think that with the complex emotion that emotion is, we have to distill it out somewhat. Is it possible to be angry/disappointed/upset at someone whilst still retaining that love? I think so, but obviously the anger and upset have to be at rather fine balances.

I'm sure the parents of you out there have reprimanded your children at some stage. I'm sure you have threatened punishment too, but you would not suppose for one moment that you had stopped loving your child. You act in the child's best interests by creating corrective mechanisms to ensure safe and good behaviour. Sometimes the motives of reprimand can be obscured, I don't think any parent alive is a perfect one, but they try their very best because they love the child.

And thus it is with God. The perfect parent seeks to correct the child and so lays down the guidelines. The unfortunate thing is that he has decided we are all grown up, and thus do not need the guiding hand so close, but must seek Him out for assistance. When we falter, His love does not. We are told we can always return to Him.

The concept of some eternal hell is not one that Mormons support, in that we believe very few people end up in hell. In order to do that, one must come to a full knowledge of God's love and deny it. A full knowledge is not something the vast majority of people are even capable of attaining. But indeed, this reflects that the only way to limit God's ability to show his love is by denying it ourselves by refusing to follow his counsel.
 

Bishadi

Active Member
as a debate may unfold where the 'corrections' to a child are warranted, it seems many never need to correct a child as the rearing of the child is towards knowledge for comprehension. compassion, honor and integrity are what enable even a baby to learn that the fire upon the stove is hot; in the first try of teaching.

well this is just another contradiction on gods part or the authors of the bible
god says he loves us all and then says if you do something he hates then you will be in hell apart from him for all eternity.

Then it is not God's fault of material conveyance; but man's inadequate representation.

If the material was perfect in truth, then corrections are reduced to selfishness rather than ignorance.
 

idea

Question Everything
I think that with the complex emotion that emotion is, we have to distill it out somewhat. Is it possible to be angry/disappointed/upset at someone whilst still retaining that love?

My bil just went through a divorce - he said you cannot hate someone unless you love them too - if you don't love them, you don't care enough to hate....

the opposite of love is not hate, it is selfishness.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is God's love conditional?
Do we have to perform certain rituals for God to love us?
Must we behave a certain way for God to love us?
If God's love is conditional, who can we depend on to love us no matter what?
Would you be more free if you knew God's love was unconditional?
No.
No.
No one.
I am.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The demons believe there is a god, and they know that Jesus is the son of god, but they are not saved.

Jesus did his loving on the cross. And things have changed since then. The measure with which you love god is the measure with which he loves you back.

Heneni
Jesus also did his loving during his ministry. When he wept at the tomb of Lazarus, the crowd said, "See how he loved him!"
No. God always intiates. We respond. God loves us, wheter we love God, or not. Because God is love.
 

Eidolon

New Member
Is God's love conditional? How can it possibly be conditional. If we believe in a God, a Creator, an Omnipotent being how could we think that He would need our love in order to love us? God is a self-sufficient being not relying on anything that we can give. Not only does He give us a pure and unconditional love, but He gives us the opportunity to love Him back.
 

Ashley-Yin

Im a happy little Lesbian
Is God's love conditional? How can it possibly be conditional. If we believe in a God, a Creator, an Omnipotent being how could we think that He would need our love in order to love us? God is a self-sufficient being not relying on anything that we can give. Not only does He give us a pure and unconditional love, but He gives us the opportunity to love Him back.

come on

Omnipotent = 1.Having 'great' or absolute power 2.Having great influence

if he had absolute power he wouldent need to punish humanity for Eve and Adam's mistakes nor would he need to sacrifice his son to erase our sins or maybe this is some sick joke or game. some people(Pentecostals for one) believe god to have a wager with Satan for our souls in some gigantic war.

HE WOULD TAKE BACK WHAT IS NOT OURS AGES AGO.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Is God's love conditional?
Do we have to perform certain rituals for God to love us?
Must we behave a certain way for God to love us?
If God's love is conditional, who can we depend on to love us no matter what?
Would you be more free if you knew God's love was unconditional?
No love that is "Love" is conditional. Love is recognizing the relationship that already exists beteween you and me.
 

Eidolon

New Member
come on

Omnipotent = 1.Having 'great' or absolute power 2.Having great influence

if he had absolute power he wouldent need to punish humanity for Eve and Adam's mistakes nor would he need to sacrifice his son to erase our sins or maybe this is some sick joke or game. some people(Pentecostals for one) believe god to have a wager with Satan for our souls in some gigantic war.

HE WOULD TAKE BACK WHAT IS NOT OURS AGES AGO.

God didn't punish humanity because of Adam and Eve's mistakes. Through his love He gave them back a portion of what they had in Eden, namely perfect fellowship with him. It is through His unconditional love that we are able to know him today.

I'm not sure that I understand the last part of your post. It was through His absolute power and His absolute love that we were able to be brought back into fellowship with him.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Jesus also did his loving during his ministry. When he wept at the tomb of Lazarus, the crowd said, "See how he loved him!"
No. God always intiates. We respond. God loves us, wheter we love God, or not. Because God is love.

Yes god is love. He returns the love of those that love him. To those who do not love him, he does not return their love, since there is no love to return.

Heneni
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
No love that is "Love" is conditional. Love is recognizing the relationship that already exists beteween you and me.

Whoa, whoa...slow down. We haven't even gone out on a date, and you're talking about a relationship? Let's take this one step at a time. :D
 
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