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Is Harris Really Worth Voting For?

Pogo

Well-Known Member
You still make the mistake of equating privilege with right.
Rights are never absolute in any legal system, eg, the right
to be from unwarranted searches is lost when in prison.
A privilege is far more easily lost.

Let's try examples....

Voting is a right, not a privilege.
Passing a test cannot be legally required to enjoy this right.
Fees cannot be charged to exercise this right.

Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Passing a test can be legally required to enjoy this privilege.
Fees can be charged to exercise this privilege.
Nevermind.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
I want to avoid shortages & lowered quality
that comes with such regulation, eg, Jimmy
Carter's creation of long lines at gas stations,
& running out of gasoline.
That didn't bother you?
It bothers me that anyone is even willing to pretend that putting the breaks on massive corporate price gouging somehow leads to shortages.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
You still make the mistake of equating privilege with right.
Rights are never absolute in any legal system, eg, the right
to be from unwarranted searches is lost when in prison.
A privilege is far more easily lost.

Let's try examples....

Voting is a right, not a privilege.
Passing a test cannot be legally required to enjoy this right.
Fees cannot be charged to exercise this right.

Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Passing a test can be legally required to enjoy this privilege.
Fees can be charged to exercise this privilege.
A privilege is something given to you by someone in charge. You get to do something with permission. A “right” is inherent, something which exists without permission from any power or authority. A privilege is a grant of permission from power/authority to do an act.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It bothers me that anyone is even willing to pretend that putting the breaks on massive corporate price gouging somehow leads to shortages.
It bothers me that liberals pretend to be putting the
brakes on price gouging, when they're really just
looking for lower prices, & don't consider the
consequences of government over-regulation.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A privilege is something given to you by someone in charge. You get to do something with permission. A “right” is inherent, something which exists without permission from any power or authority. A privilege is a grant of permission from power/authority to do an act.
OK.
Does your post comport with mine (#273)?
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
I recall how disliked she was by democrats during her presidential campaign.
and that has ....nothing to do with the question I posed
Yes the DNC can ignore the primary election results if they choose. It's just a party nomination. The DNC ain't got to listen to nobody on that.
So delegates were supposed to ignore reality and vote for someone no longer running for president and who would not accept the nomination? Then what? Go home? Not nominate anyone? What is your fantasy here?

Tell me if the assassination attempt on Trump had been just a little bit more on target. Would you be complaining that the RNC delegates ignored the primary electorate to replace Trump on the ticket? Wait, let me guess, it would somehow be "different"
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
OK.
Does your post comport with mine (#273)?
No, voting is a privilege granted only to certain persons

The problem with this conversation is that right and privilege are really the same thing. It is just that due solely to our privilege of being US citizens we attempt to guarantee the rights mentioned in the Constitution to all of us that are citizens whether they exist naturally or not in human society.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
It bothers me that liberals pretend to be putting the
brakes on price gouging, when they're really just
looking for lower prices, & don't consider the
consequences of government over-regulation.
Cal-Maine foods, one of the countries largest food manufactures posted a 718% increase in profits over last year. If you get happy paying for that kind of gouging you go right ahead and keep on. What is that old saying about a fool and his money?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Not a clear cut case of revokation.
Explain why you believe it is?
The US revoked his passport once again while in he was in Ghana, so he started citizenship proceedings in Ghana so he could continue to work on the Encyclopedia Africana there. He never did revoke his US citizenship, but was stripped of it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, voting is a privilege granted only to certain persons
That is a novel legal claim.
Which "certain persons" are included & excluded.
You don't recognize the differences between
a right & a privilege that I illustrated by
contrasting a driver license with voting?
The problem with this conversation is that right and privilege are really the same thing.
That is to ignore the differences.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Cal-Maine foods, one of the countries largest food manufactures posted a 718% increase in profits over last year.
You don't say what the profit was before the increase.
If a large company made $1 profit one year, & $8.18
the next year, that would be a 718% increase.

You see the problem with your argument.
Even if your claim is accurate.
If you get happy...
I get happy when posters stop
proffering dumb arguments.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The US revoked his passport once again while in he was in Ghana, so he started citizenship proceedings in Ghana so he could continue to work on the Encyclopedia Africana there. He never did revoke his US citizenship, but was stripped of it.
I read the link. It's more complex than you state.
So it doesn't support the claim that citizenship
is mere privilege, & not a right.
 
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