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Is Harris Really Worth Voting For?

Pogo

Well-Known Member
That is a novel legal claim.
Which "certain persons" are included & excluded.
You don't recognize the differences between
a right & a privilege that I illustrated by
contrasting a driver license with voting?

That is to ignore the differences.
And voting is a privilege granted by the government to those who were born in the US or naturalized, have reached 18 years of age and have not done any of the things that we deem sufficient to take away the privilege. We don't grant the privilege to just anybody just as we don't just hand out driver's licenses. A right under the constitution is something that cannot be taken away from you without due process, but voting or being a citizen is something you have to earn even if only by being born here.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And voting is a privilege granted by the government to those who were born in the US or naturalized, have reached 18 years of age and have not done any of the things that we deem sufficient to take away the privilege.
That describes a right.
The rest isn't anything new.
Must agree to disagree.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
That describes a right.
The rest isn't anything new.
Must agree to disagree.
Yes it is a "right" granted only to persons who are privileged to live under our set of rules granted by our collective. Voting isn't even a thing to be a right without the privilege defining entity which is us.

Yeah, you are wrong in this case, but I retain the right to disagree which is always available to me without any necessity of any other entity or collection to grant me the right to do so.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I read the link. It's more complex than you state.
So it doesn't support the claim that citizenship
is mere privilege, & not a right.
It is a right according to the 14th Amendment. That doesn't mean the government won't look for loopholes to bypass that right and disrupt their citizens lives and work, as in the presented example.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Common ground.
Woohoo!

Of course!
Government loves to take away rights.
But the distinction between a right &
a privilege remains.

Not for all variants as per this definition of privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

Your rights as an American is a privilege for a particular group, i.e. Americans.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Common ground.
Woohoo!

Of course!
Government loves to take away rights.
But the distinction between a right &
a privilege remains.
So now we have the question: was cancelling a passport (privilege?) while a citizen is abroad a means by which to alienate (in the literal sense) a natural-born citizen of their citizenship right?
 

I Am Hugh

Researcher
There's no such nuance here.

A satire, if you will.

Of course not! Conspiracy theory, that's what that is. Crazy stuff. We are men of science. Our world is reality. Yours and mine. Love and truth, facts and data make our world go round. Not conspiracy. [1] The more information we have the smarter we obviously are. The grizzly bears our ancestors fought off haven't been replaced by creepy little ideologues cowering in bomb shelters and the proud Native Americans have quietly gone off into the sunset with a bottle and a suicide note or opened gambling cassinos.

I can't believe they didn't censor the word suicide. Unalived, I should say. The parlance of our progressive times.

Trump is a narcissist and instinctive liar,

Nobody in politics lies. It wouldn't be allowed. Trump didn't just not play by their rules and threaten their money flow, why, he's a monster. A boogey man. He's not bought and sold. Free. You know how Americans don't like freedom. Nothing's free. No wonder the Democrats loved his rich *** from long ago. You know. When he used to give them all that money.

This message has been brought to you by big pharma, big tech, the green movement (formerly oil industry) and the military industrial complexities. Everything is coming up roses, goddammit! This is a family friendly world; kids don't say those words on the playground. They don't go to the school library and read hard porn, they look at it behind the convenience store or their old man's secret stash.


he's a rapist, so found by a jury, and a convicted fraudster,

No, just because his daughter wrote of his inappropriate showering in her diaries - sure he acts all weird around young people, sniffing their hair and stuff but he's old. Old news anyway. They just keep on about Biden. For so many years in the news. Sure, Biden ****ed a porn star but who wouldn't have done the same? Is that cool or what? Oh, maybe she was interviewed by Maher and said she wasn't raped or there was nothing inappropriate about it but later she was probably paid to say otherwise in a court obviously not corrupt at all. Anyway, like I said, we men of science and integrity value law, truth, justice, logic and reason above all else. It's not like any of that stuff could have been tampered with in any way to suit our dumb, fake ideology! I can't seem to find anything on Google to that effect so it must be true. It's not like they would hide it or anything.

Fraud, hear, hear! Burn the tapes! Or the laptop, or whatever. I am not a crook. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. That depends upon what the definition of is is. Weapons of mass destruction. Terror! Terror! Al Quaide CIA, Isis, Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, Trump, Trump, Trump. Iran. Contras.


That bank was not happy with Biden's fraud, maybe because it was a victimless crime. Bad boy! No one ever does that. Imagine! 34 charges. Discredited charges made at Nuremberg by Soviets: Steam chambers at Treblinka, Electro chambers, Nazis responsible for Katyn Forest massacre when it was actually the Soviets themselves, they claimed Nazis made shrunken heads, human skin lampshades, and soap, and that 20,000 Jews were assembled in a makeshift village, and blown up with an atomic bomb, etc.

his previous term was chaotic, his self-serving exercises of power were blatant, and his attempts to pervert the US Constitution by force, and by multiple fraudulent and baseless legal applications, and by attempting to suborn public officials, will live in infamy. On top of that, his little brain is decaying and at his age it won't get better.

Let's go Brandon, I say. You're projecting.

As a footnote, Harris doesn't qualify as an "insane criminal candidate" in any event.

Harris doesn't qualify for anything. That's the beauty of Harris

Footnote

[1] a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful; the action of plotting or conspiring. Popularized by the CIA (Christians In Action) after the death of JFK. They aren't saying much about JFK, though, including releasing records of his assassination to the public. I personally thought only the FBI carried out presidential assassinations.

 
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We Never Know

No Slack
Not for all variants as per this definition of privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

Your rights as an American is a privilege for a particular group, i.e. Americans.

All I can say is...

"Its very important as you have heard from so many incredible leaders
For us at every moment in time and certainly this one, to seize the moment in time in which we exist in our present
And to be able to contextualize it, to understand where we exist, in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to the past but the future"
 
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