Is Harris Really Worth Voting For?

[Pogo]

Privileges are revokable.
Rights are not.
Generally speaking.

Citizenship is most definitely a revocable thing,
Rights are arbitrary human constructions and so questionably even things.

 

[Revoltingest]

Citizenship is most definitely a revocable thing,

Only if an immigrant.
Then it's a privilege.
Born here?
It cannot be taken away.

Rights are arbitrary human constructions and so questionably even things.

Of course.
But that's not making your argument
about legal status of citizenship in USA.

 

[Pogo]

I was a fool before I became a libertarian.

Legally, I'm on solid ground.

only because your privilege has not yet been revoked for not violating the rules granting you that priviledge.

 

[Revoltingest]

only because your privilege has not yet been revoked for not violating the rules granting you that priviledge.

Have any examples of a US-born
citizen having citizenship revoked?

 

[Pogo]

And so it should be.
We don't want to be flooded with your ilk.

But why you?

Reminds me of advice from a law prof I knew....
If you're innocent, get a bench trial.
If guilty, get a jury trial.

Yeah, it is a legal trope that somehow I think may relate to the Scope's Monkey Trial.
but I'm sure somebody out there knows better.

 

[Revoltingest]

But why you?

Born within the country's boundaries
to parents who were citizens....not the
best citizens...actually, rather low quality
citizens. But citizens nonetheless.

Yeah, it is a legal trope that somehow I think may relate to the Scope's Monkey Trial.
but I'm sure somebody out there knows better.

Why bring monkeys into this.
What did they ever do to you?

 

[Pogo]

Have any examples of a US-born
citizen having citizenship revoked?

Simplest example is partial for felons, but Google AI says.
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In general, U.S. citizens cannot be stripped of their citizenship, but there are some exceptions. A U.S. citizen can lose their citizenship if they:

Run for office in a foreign country under certain conditions

• Join the military in a foreign country under certain conditions
  
  
• Apply for citizenship in a foreign country with the intention of giving up U.S. citizenship
  
  
• Commit treason against the United States
  
  
• Are a naturalized citizen who is denaturalized for committing certain crimes
  
  Denaturalization can happen in two ways:

Civil proceedings
A judge orders the loss of citizenship status as a result of a case against the citizen. This process usually begins when USCIS identifies a problem that could lead to loss of citizenship and refers the case to the Department of Justice.

That said, because we are priviledged to live in this country the exceptions are fairly rare and serious.

• Criminal naturalization fraud
  A citizen is convicted of criminal naturalization fraud and a judicial order is entered to strip them of citizenship.
  

U.S. citizens can also voluntarily give up their citizenship by renouncing it. To do so, they must:

1. Appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer in a foreign country
   
   
2. Sign an oath of renunciation
   
   
3. Pay a $2,350 fee
   

The Department of State's website has advice about the possible loss of U.S. nationality.

 

[Pogo]

Born within the country's boundaries
to parents who were citizens....not the
best citizens...actually, rather low quality
citizens. But citizens nonetheless.

Why bring monkeys into this.
What did they ever do to you?

Same as you I hate to admit, sired us many moons ago.

 

[oldbadger]

Proposing price controls & property
confiscation is extreme left.
Perhaps not in England, but it is here.

But note that Trump is even more
extreme, eg, attempted coup, raping
women, criminalizing criticizing judges.

The issue is which extremist is worse.

Exactly what property confiscation are you talking about? Death duties? Capital gains? High income taxation?

......or possibly confiscation of the proceeds from crime?

Any good community looks after all it's people. Those who have strengths by chance do need to give support to those who didn't have strengths.

What chance favoured you or me? I know that my early situation was luck, how about you? Let our community look after those who have less, yes?

 

[Revoltingest]

Simplest example is partial for felons, but Google AI says.
AI Overview
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In general, U.S. citizens cannot be stripped of their citizenship, but there are some exceptions. A U.S. citizen can lose their citizenship if they:

Run for office in a foreign country under certain conditions

• Join the military in a foreign country under certain conditions
  
  
• Apply for citizenship in a foreign country with the intention of giving up U.S. citizenship
  
  
• Commit treason against the United States
  
  
• Are a naturalized citizen who is denaturalized for committing certain crimes
  
  Denaturalization can happen in two ways:

Civil proceedings
A judge orders the loss of citizenship status as a result of a case against the citizen. This process usually begins when USCIS identifies a problem that could lead to loss of citizenship and refers the case to the Department of Justice.

That said, because we are priviledged to live in this country the exceptions are fairly rare and serious.

• Criminal naturalization fraud
  A citizen is convicted of criminal naturalization fraud and a judicial order is entered to strip them of citizenship.

U.S. citizens can also voluntarily give up their citizenship by renouncing it. To do so, they must:

1. Appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer in a foreign country
   
   
2. Sign an oath of renunciation
   
   
3. Pay a $2,350 fee

The Department of State's website has advice about the possible loss of U.S. nationality.

See!
BTW, Donald Trump should lose his citizenship for his failed coup.

 

[Pogo]

See!
BTW, Donald Trump should lose his citizenship for his failed coup.

Agreed, citizenship is a privilege not a right, the rights are granted us by the constitution that we as a society have decided.
Inalienable is just a piece of sophistry when it comes to humans and even their created gods.

 

[Revoltingest]

Exactly what property confiscation are you talking about?

Drug patents, specifically.

......or possibly confiscation of the proceeds from crime

They can already do that, even if there's no evidence
or accusation of a crime. Biden created this "civil
forfeiture" policy, ie, if cops find that you have cash,
they can take it because it is possible that it is ill
gotten. You must prove the money innocent in
order to have it returned. (There's no presumption
of innocence of money.)

Any good community looks after all it's people. Those who have strengths by chance do need to give support to those who didn't have strengths.

OK.

What chance favoured you or me? I know that my early situation was luck, how about you? Let our community look after those who have less, yes?

Rhetorical question?
To make what relevant point?

 

[Revoltingest]

Agreed, citizenship is a privilege not a right....

You still make the mistake of equating privilege with right.
Rights are never absolute in any legal system, eg, the right
to be from unwarranted searches is lost when in prison.
A privilege is far more easily lost.

Let's try examples....

Voting is a right, not a privilege.
Passing a test cannot be legally required to enjoy this right.
Fees cannot be charged to exercise this right.

Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Passing a test can be legally required to enjoy this privilege.
Fees can be charged to exercise this privilege.

 

[I Am Hugh]

You're confusing conflating stealing with chaotic
results due to metastability of a complex system.

In the country it's all red. In the city it's all blue. In the city you manipulate territories, you stuff ballots, dead people vote, illegal immigrants vote, the software is extraordinarily vulnerable and designed as such, absentee and mail in voting is massively abused. The blue have to cheat to win. They know this, so does everyone else.

Those elections weren't theft....they simply went
against the popular vote. USA doesn't use the
popular vote.

What does it use? Compared to, let's say, Europe?

How do you discern who is "meant to win"?

Your choice of corruption is chosen for you. It's a facade of choice. Divide and conquer. Bread and circuses. Pick your ideology and defend your boss, same as the other boss.

 

[Nakosis]

It's telling to see Trumpers try to use "weird" now, when they're usually much more likely to say things like "DEI hire," "colored," and "whore."

If I find any, I'll tell them they are "weird" for doing so.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the country it's all red. In the city it's all blue. In the city you manipulate territories, you stuff ballots, dead people vote, illegal immigrants vote, the software is extraordinarily vulnerable and designed as such, absentee and mail in voting is massively abused. The blue have to cheat to win. They know this, so does everyone else.

Evidence for the claims?
And please....don't use InfoWars.

What does it use?

The Electoral College, rather than "popular vote".

How do electoral votes work? These pictures explain the Electoral College process.

Presidential elections in the U.S. aren't decided by popular vote. They are instead determined by the Electoral College. Here's how it works.

www.usatoday.com

How Does the Electoral College Work?

This is one college that doesn’t offer diplomas.

www.britannica.com

Your choice of corruption is chosen for you.
It's a facade of choice. Divide and conquer. Bread and circuses. Pick your ideology and defend your boss, same as the other boss.

That's a rant.
Not a supported argument.
We expect more here.

 

[crossfire]

Have any examples of a US-born
citizen having citizenship revoked?

W. E. B. Du Bois - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Nakosis]

All those delegates at the DNC just voted for her to be the candidate.

How? She is vice president endorsed by the sitting president and supported by democrats .

I recall how disliked she was by democrats during her presidential campaign.
Yes the DNC can ignore the primary election results if they choose. It's just a party nomination. The DNC ain't got to listen to nobody on that.

 

[Revoltingest]

W. E. B. Du Bois - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not a clear cut case of revokation.
Explain why you believe it is?

 

[Watchmen]

Differences don't eliminate shared traits.

I don't narrow it down at.
What I said applies generally to all.

And stop picturing me sans pants.
It's creepy.

What you said is blatantly wrong. Most voters do not support genocide.

Or blatantly cromultne?

Not by that name....but they support
Israeli policies that amount to genocide.
They just can't admit that it is what it is.

sounds like more backtracking.