Is Harvard waging war on Christianity - liberalism run amuck?

[sayak83]

Many things are legal but it doesn't make them moral.
Harvard's charter was to serve the church and it's stamped on their diplomas.
Sad

Loong way back. And it was always the liberal protestant and unitarian churches. Check Wiki.

Christianity's injunctions against homosexuality is itself immoral and needs to be made defunct

 

[whirlingmerc]

^ this

Even Harvard would recognize this as an Ad Hominim

so JayW, so a Rastifarian should be allowed to be head of the Harvard Jewish league?
seems self refuting

 

[sayak83]

Harvard is effectively saying if you don't agree with a religious view you still have to be allowed to be an officer leader of a club for that religious view.

Even this board has sections you can't post in if you don't ascribe to the views of that section. Harvard is saying that's inappropriately discriminatory and they would be wrong

Harvard is essentially saying that it will not fund any religious student group whose principles discriminate in terms of race, ethnicity or gender.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Loong way back. And it was always the liberal protestant and unitarian churches. Check Wiki.

Christianity's injunctions against homosexuality is itself immoral and needs to be made defunct

Hmm allot of assertions with no backup... So you are saying it is Christianity itself you don't like?

 

[HonestJoe]

Harvard is effectively saying if you don't agree with a religious view you still have to be allowed to be an officer leader of a club for that religious view.

No, you’re wrong. Harvard is literally saying organisations which wish to be formally associated with the University have to follow the rules set down by the University and one of them is not discriminating on grounds of sexual orientation. It makes literally zero difference whether the organisation in question is Christian, some other religion or entirely secular, if it’s unable or unwilling to follow the rules, it can’t remain formally associated with the University. I’m sure it has similar rules about discriminating on grounds of race, gender and, of course, religion which would be applied in exactly the same way to all organisations.

 

[Underhill]

I say christians are at war trying to demonize the media and our educational institutions. I see much more evidence of that than of their claims.

It seems at least once a week there is some nonsense story of the christian right making claims that some news organization or school did some horrible thing. In every case I can remember, the claims were exaggerated, taken out of context or just made up.

On top of that, for a group that overwhelming supports a womanizing asshat like Trump to cry about homosexuals is beyond laughable.

 

[tytlyf]

I say christians are at war trying to demonize the media and our educational institutions. I see much more evidence of that than of their claims.

It seems at least once a week there is some nonsense story of the christian right making claims that some news organization or school did some horrible thing. In every case I can remember, the claims were exaggerated, taken out of context or just made up.

On top of that, for a group that overwhelming supports a womanizing asshat like Trump to cry about homosexuals is beyond laughable.

Check out CampusReform

RW propaganda mill that focuses solely on schools. Notice the name choice "Campus Reform." Just the name itself is designed to hide the RW performance.

Another example
VIDEO: Angry student attacks pro-life display

 

[Underhill]

Check out CampusReform

RW propaganda mill that focuses solely on schools. Notice the name choice "Campus Reform." Just the name itself is designed to hide the RW performance.

Another example
VIDEO: Angry student attacks pro-life display

I see that as the opposite of hiding it. They are actively pushing the kind of anger and resentment they hope will lead to change.

 

[sayak83]

Hmm allot of assertions with no backup... So you are saying it is Christianity itself you don't like?

I said check Wikipedia Harvard University page. That was the backup.
Of course I don't like the discrimination against same sex folks done by Christianity. Consider it immoral. Why would Harvard fund immoral practices of discrimination in its campus? Harvard is answerable to its student body and alumni and peer donors. The majority of them will oppose funding religious groups that discriminate due to sexual preference.

 

[tytlyf]

I see that as the opposite of hiding it. They are actively pushing the kind of anger and resentment they hope will lead to change.

I wasn't clear. To the usual viewer, Campus Reform comes across as a website run by students across the country. When in reality it's a RW propaganda mill.

No students work there.

Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America's leading site for college news.

The Leadership Institute is a RW think tank, specializing in communication manipulation and propaganda for conservatives.

 

[Underhill]

I wasn't clear. To the usual viewer, Campus Reform comes across as a website run by students across the country. When in reality it's a RW propaganda mill.

No students work there.

Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America's leading site for college news.

The Leadership Institute is a RW think tank, specializing in communication manipulation and propaganda for conservatives.

Yeah, I follow you. To me it seems obvious what the intent is, but we are probably more informed than the average bear.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Harvard is effectively saying if you don't agree with a religious view you still have to be allowed to be an officer leader of a club for that religious view.

Harvard is saying that if you want to be affiliated with Harvard and receive funding from Harvard you have to abide by Harvard rules which includes not discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation. If those rules don't mesh well with your club, then don't ask to be affiliated with Harvard or ask them for financial support. Seems pretty straightforward.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Harvard is saying that if you want to be affiliated with Harvard and receive funding from Harvard you have to abide by Harvard rules which includes not discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation. If those rules don't mesh well with your club, then don't ask to be affiliated with Harvard or ask them for financial support. Seems pretty straightforward.

So discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs is OK?
Sexual rights trump religious rights 10 or 10 times? The de facto Obama doctrine ... a yeah, he went to Harvard...

 

[idav]

So discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs is OK?
Sexual rights trump religious rights 10 or 10 times? The de facto Obama doctrine ... a yeah, he went to Harvard...

Seems the "christian" club was the one doing the discriminating.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs is OK?

How are they being discriminated against by being asked to adhere to the same codes as all the other groups?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Seems the "christian" club was the one doing the discriminating.

Should a meat eater be allowed to head a vegan group? at what point does it make no sense

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Should a meat eater be allowed to head a vegan group? at what point does it make no sense

That depends whether your group is being supported and/or funded by an organization that has explicit instructions in place that says you cannot deny people membership or leadership in your organization based on their diet.

 

[tytlyf]

Should a meat eater be allowed to head a vegan group? at what point does it make no sense

You're still going with this? RW fake news gotcha, just accept and move on.

 

[Underhill]

So discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs is OK?
Sexual rights trump religious rights 10 or 10 times? The de facto Obama doctrine ... a yeah, he went to Harvard...

Discriminating against people who don't follow the rules is perfectly fine. If their religion can't follow the rules because of religious beliefs take it off campus.

If religious freedom trumped all, I would simply start a church whose first tenet states that members should never pay taxes. I bet membership roles would be exceptionally high.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

So discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs is OK?

No one is being discriminated because of their beliefs. They are being discriminated against for their actions.

When the club asked to be affiliated with Harvard and receive money from them they agreed to follow the rules laid out by Harvard. If the rules go against what the club believes, then they should have never asked to be affiliated with Harvard. It's that simple.

Sexual rights trump religious rights 10 or 10 times? The de facto Obama doctrine ... a yeah, he went to Harvard...

Forcing Harvard to accept every single club in existence is not a religious right. It is fully within Harvard's rights to decide which clubs will be affiliated with them. Harvard is not stopping anyone from worshipping as they see fit.