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Is Hell Necessary To Christianity?

Yeah, I know. But why is it necessary?
It's necessary because God is righteous and all the children of Adam are sinners by nature. God must punish sin or He wouldn't be righteous. God is not obligated to save any. Therefore it is pure grace towards those He does save. Towards the rest He gives them according to what their sins deserve. He has done no wrong. God chose not to save everyone. He has a right to do with His own things as He wishes. That is why there must be a hell to punish the wicked unbelieving sinners. Sin against a holy infinite God deserves a holy infinite wrath.

Well, then there's not much point in preaching, is there? What a monstrous God.
There would be no point, except that God has chosen to use preaching as the means to save those who believe. His elect will believe, because He first opens their eyes to believe, known as being regenerated by the Spirit, or born of God. Left to themselves, no one would believe, because apart from God's grace, men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Except He set us up. We are as He made us, so why bother? You make God out to be no better than a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass.
 
Except He set us up. We are as He made us, so why bother? You make God out to be no better than a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass.
If we acknowledge our sins to Him and desire to be freed from them, He will show Himself merciful to us. We are without excuse. If we love God and seek to obey Him, through faith in Jesus Christ, nothing evil will befall us. He casts down the proud but exalts the humble. We have no excuse.

All mankind was created to glorify God. Either through obeying His voice, or through being punished in hell for disobeying Him. God's glory is most important, because He is greater than all.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
If we love God and seek to obey Him, through faith in Jesus Christ, nothing evil will befall us.
I just can't let this slide.

I had the faith you describe as a child. Guess what? Evil befell me. My parents split up, and I was regularly raped and beaten by my stepfather. My mother was even worse. What the hell do you call that?

You want to talk Hell? Been there, done that. But, hey.... no biggie, it's all for God's glory, right?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
He will show Himself merciful to us

Heres my take

Or maybe he wont!!!!!

if the myth is true then he could have a fit of jealousy and pull another great flood murdering inoccent men women children and animals

he would have to be one sick individual and phycotic to murder everyone to get his point across.


POINT A
I beleieve as i already stated in this thread, christianity will do just fine without hell because people want to believe this myth so much, missing one little thing like hell wont change much.

Its a great point because

POINT B
if people didnt believe in hell that it was just a imaginary place like hades, made up as a fear tactic to gain followers in a time when worldy knowledge was not common

Would it start a domino effect in overall belief. I say see point A

Its a very valid point
 
I just can't let this slide.

I had the faith you describe as a child. Guess what? Evil befell me. My parents split up, and I was regularly raped and beaten by my stepfather. My mother was even worse. What the hell do you call that?

You want to talk Hell? Been there, done that. But, hey.... no biggie, it's all for God's glory, right?

I'm very sad to hear that. My parents also split up, and my father beat me and my mother. I can imagine your situation being much worse. I don't mean to minimize the reality of what has happened to you.

What I mean by no evil befalling those who put their trust in Christ, is just what the Bible says, that God works all things together for good to those who love God. There is a latter end. There is forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life. There are victories given in Christ in this life also. God manifests His Presence with us along the way.

It is well granted that there is much evil on this earth and it touches all, some more than others. We cannot always explain why bad things happen, except to say that those who did such things turned their backs on God. If we turn our backs on God, we become like them. Return to the God of your youth, and He will return to you.

There is a promise given by God that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If you ask God to forgive all your sins, He will. That is His promise, and He will never count them against you ever again. Jesus died for sinners. Which sinners? Only God knows until they are made manifest. Repentance towards God and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the way of salvation. I will pray for you, that you may know the joy and peace in believing that I have known.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Dont bother I truely believe you went off the deep end.

You are way to far out there from reality and now claim the bible has phychic powers.

I don't post based on your opinions or shortsighted and skewed vision of reality.

The bible is a book -a collection of writings. It does not have psychic powers.

However, God does, angels/demons do (to a lesser degree than God) -and both affect humanity. Many governments have psychic research programs and other programs based on that research, and many people have long sought things from non-human spirits -and I'm about as non-far-out as it gets concerning this subject.

Some people believe they are grounded in reality because they believe such things are ridiculous or impossible, but this is not the truth. Still -they are probably better off in their ignorance, in many ways.

Some others realize such things are possible, but do not understand their nature -and the consequences can be grave. Powers that we consider super-human do exist -and are sought -but many do not realize that spirits with far greater mental abilities are involved -and they don't necessarily have the best interest of the seeker at heart.

As for knowing the future...
About a third of the bible is prophecy. God is quoted in the bible as saying...
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

...and God had people write what would evenyually take place -and what the end thereof would be.

God designed and created all that is -similar to how we design and create, but with far greater power. Due to this complete knowledge, he is able to know much of what we would do in any given situation. He also knows that without the wisdom and perspective he can provide, we are bound to fail. He gave us creativity, so there is also a bit of the unknown, but he wisely asserts his power to bring world events to a predetermined result. He is allowing us to see what the end of our self-rule would produce (self-annihilation)-so it can never be doubted -but will then keep it from happening completely.

He created beings -human and otherwise -with great power and creativity -but, since they are new creatures, they are also ignorant and inexperienced.
If left alone in such a state, (in spite of some good ideas) we would produce misery, chaos, tyranny, abuse -and eventually ruin everything -including ourselves.
We have discovered how to unravel, tear and burn the fabric of our own existence -and we will do so.

He is responsible for our upbringing. Fortunately, he designed things so that they can never truly be out of control -and any destruction we cause can be repaired
(even by psychokenisis)!

:yes:

Anyway -bible prophecy contains more details about what will happen from now until the return of Christ than probably any other time.
I will expound later -and have in other threads -but here's a quick overview.... (Yes -it says this stuff below in the bible -apart from a very few details which I specify are probable/possible, etc.)

*Nazi SS officers (Aryan -Assyrian in bible prophecy) -when faced with imminent defeat -funnel resources out of Germany -plan to unite Europe -and do so successfully -working behind the scenes of the European common market/European Commmunity/European Union -develop/gain access to massive physical, monetary, intelligence and military resources -including access to nuclear weapons through other EU members -and gain leverage over Britain and the U.S. (and others) through the corporate/industrial sector and various underworlds.

*They then take focus off their activities by helping plan/facilitating 9-11, use their influence in the U.S. to affect policy (even elections) so as to divide our forces -ensuring, at the very least, great difficulty in Afghanistan, and an open-ended commmitment in Iraq (not to mention bleeding our economy, dividing the nation, weakening/wearying the military) -all the while suppressing those in the US who are wise to them using a network of technologies (digital transition, etc!) they were instrumental in building (the capabilities of which most do not comprehend) and people they have cultivated to act in fear and without question ("made" in a broad sense) -even manipulating those who think they are acting against them by organizing the "resistance" themselves.... further leveraging our economy, etc., etc..... (and doing similar things to a lesser degree at present in Israel -and to Israel through their dealings with the U.S.).

Much of the world stands against Iran.... including our military industrial complex and those associated (which is the REAL reason [among others] we went into Iraq -though it's still a trap) (Daniel 11:14)... and the EU.

Britain is compromised in sovereignty and as a US ally by association with the EU. The US and Britain increasingly leave Israel to themselves even making decisions which strengthen their enemies.

The EU takes an interest in the mideast peace process -and increasingly displaces the US in said process -though not all in the EU have peace in mind.

Russia increases in power and influence -plays both sides (EU/US) in self-interest.

Iran/radical Islam push at EU -EU is stirred up.

Israel is attacked by its neighbors/invaded. This conflict lasts 3 1/2 years.

US and strongest allies' economies are toppled by leverage, etc.- also nuked at about the same time as the above attack begins (probably by terrorists who have been aided by some behind the scenes of the EU). Chaos ensues -some eventually rounded up and taken to Europe as slave labor -similar to WWII. (actual Nazi presence will most likely be as minimal as possible -at least until the proverbial jig is up -though they'll probably be there to gloat as they make our travel arrangements [which has already begun -ahem])

EU forces pass over Iran (and friends) like a whirlwind -their forces continue to the holy land.

Russia and China will plan to join the fray, but the EU will strike them first -Russia and China field soldiers numbering 200 million -and will nearly cripple the EU.

Russian/Chinese forces also move toward holy land. Russia desires to wind up with a bunch of new land.

Forces are gathered in the valley of Megiddo to war with each other.

Assyrian over EU forces sets up destruction at Jerusalem (possibly a tactical nuke -maybe not -the final final solution).

Those in Judea who heed the warning of Christ flee when they see Jerusalem compassed by armies.

Jerusalem is essentially blown up -by whatever means (abomination of desolation).

Christ returns in power and glory -mount of Olives splits in two and his feet stand on it.

Forces gathered in Megiddo to war with each other leave off doing so to attack the returning Christ.

Christ and his angelic army (Joel 2, etc.) destroy the armies of the earth which fight him.

Those dead in Christ are raised immortal -the living in Christ meet them in the air and are also changed
-reign with Christ on earth for a thousand years -the rest of the dead live not again until the thousand years are finished -many receive eternal life after that judgment.

Christ sets up his rule on earth -and then the good part begins!!!!!!!!
Nature of animal life will be changed to not harm -desolate places will be made fertile, etc..
Man will no longer learn war -except that there will only be one more attempt at war by man after the thousand years -but it will be put down by fire. (Rev 20:7-9)
 
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Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Bull ****!

Even I'd have to second that!

Joh 15:20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Mat 24:9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

It is more correct to say that nothing evil will befall such until God allows it.

The following are also true...

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
 
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