Titanic
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Yeah thats what I meant. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Is hell too harsh?
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Yeah thats what I meant. Thanks for pointing that out.
Titanic
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Yeah it would be speculation, He really did claim to be a Christian at the end.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Which leads to a question about who's a real Christian or not. Obviously it's not based on behavior or what a person claims to believe.
That's the thing. We accept as Christians anyone who says they are a Christian but only God knows our hearts. On top of that, someone can live the commands that were given by Jesus yet not even be a theist or follow that religion and not even believe in Jesus.
And here's another thought:
1. A man says he is theist, yet looks down on the poor, is full of pride, doesn't love his neighbor, has no compassion, no mercy.
2. A woman doesn't believe in any God. She works at a homeless shelter. She nurses hurt animals back to health. She smiles at people and is very friendly.
Is 1 or 2 doing "God's" work? It isn't 1, is it? Do you really believe that I would believe that God would punish a woman like the one I mentioned? I don't.
Titanic
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Yeah.
And then he got better.
For the record, Othin doesn't have his eye back, nor has Baldur risen from the grave. It's foreseen that Baldur will rise again after Ragnarok to lead the survivors, but Othin will be in the grave by then, so the two of them will never see each other again.
The nature of sacrifice is that you don't get back what you sacrificed.
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No she's not. She's going against the mainstream.
Hint: it's not.
The modern concept of Hell, that is, the place of eternal torment for evildoers likely derives from the Greek Tartarus.
That's just you. The Bible is not a single whole book; it's a collection of Jewish and early Christian writings, some of which are actually quite amazing.
One thing to remember about the Good Samaritan story: Samaritans were the enemies of Jesus's audience for that tale.
Titanic
Well-Known Member
Well If their is a God then I guess He'll be the judge of it.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
So which one would go to Heaven and which one would go to Hell? I know you don't believe in Hell, but you do see the problem. If God is judging people, he would have to do it on a different level than just belief in God/Jesus or what is claimed to be believed. If God is judging it on a bunch of other parameters than belief in Jesus, then belief is Jesus is not necessary.
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I think her answer is obvious.
The way I have been seeing things for the past 30 years as a Christian is that too many people care more about stray verses than they do the Bible books as a whole. The message isn't truly contained in a single verse or a dozen verses. Believe me, reading the Bible as a whole gives a whole different outlook that stringing together various verses.
Jesus also wanted us to follow His commands. If His commands weren't important, He never would have shared them. He would have just said "all you need to do is believe in me and that's it" but that isn't what He said or taught. Jesus taught a lot of commands, which were all from the Tanakh (what I formerly called the OT, yet no longer do). That's something that Christians need to think about as well as others.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Oh. I see it now. I got distracted while I was reading and the last part didn't register.
captainbryce
Active Member
Okay, well then get back to me when you decide to stop being cryptic and actually answer my question.
captainbryce
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My faith does none of those things. You've obviously confused me with someone else!
captainbryce
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Well, it doesn't defeat my argument because I haven't expressed these points (other people have). Whether or not a serial killer gets into heaven or not isn't particular relevant because that all boils down to whether or not that serial killer has in fact repented his sins and accepted Jesus. And of course all of that depends on whether or not this increasingly hypothetical serial killer has a rational state of mind to begin with. There are many factors to consider when determining whether or not someone is truly "evil". Killing alone is not a determining factor. Many good people kill!
And it's your right to exercise that choice "not to care". I don't think you are alone here. It's obvious that many atheists, skeptics and followers of pagan religions "don't care" about God, and that much of that is based on their condemnation of him based on their own understanding. You are hardly unique in this view.
And that's your right as well. God is so great in my opinion, that he allows you to reject him and worship Satan if you choose. He will not force anybody to worship him.
captainbryce
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1) A wicked person who accepts Jesus would no longer be wicked at that point. In order to truly accept Jesus, one has to repent their sins and be born again. A person who is still wicked does not have this capacity.
2) A person who rejects Christ is by definition NOT GOOD. Nobody is truly "good" in God's eyes. But we become good by accepting our savior who died on our behalf. And I think that is awesome and more moral than anything humans have ever had going for them in our violent history.