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Is Islam a universal religion.
- Thread starter Vinayaka
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
It's wrong though, wrong interpretation.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I find it highly unlikely as well.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
But Islam does not exclude atheists
God invites them to read His Book, to take their time to ponder and reflect and if convinced, invites them to become part of Islam
Freedom is the key word here
God does not force atheists to become Muslims if they don't want to
You know what "exclude" means?
It means I invite all my colleagues at work for dinner, but I exclude from the invitation Americans for example or Australians
This is clearly not the case
All are invited to Islam, and that is what makes it a universal religion
Whether people accept the invitation or not is their own free choice ...
I agree with you.
Regards
Honestly, I am very sad that you - or anyone - even considers saying such a thing.
So you are claiming that I am only an Atheist because I have failed to properly understand the message of the Quran?
That is... far less than respectful, to say nothing of realistic or well-informed.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Of course one could differ.
May someone among you who think of Islam as an universal religion please elaborate on that?
The idea is just so strange.
The idea is just so strange.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Echoing what others have said- depends how one defines universal. It is universal regarding nationality and gender of adherants. I daresay an LGBT person wouldn't find it too universal, nor would one who defines universal to mean ecumenical. The Quran advocates eventual subjegation of other ideologies, not dialogue on equal footing.
Adding to that, there is no way around it: its insistence on belief in God is a full flaw, and a serious one at that.
One of its lesser harmful consequences is that it makes Islam quite unsuitable for atheists, and removes any prayer of it ever being a good fit for all people.
How can a person become an islamit just for reading and identifying with the Quran, if it's known that an islamit must also pay atention to the Quran' complement writings, named the Hadiths, which cause so many desagreements between the believers?
It sounds like buying a thing and getting a different one.
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So you believe that disagreements come from the Hadiths and would not happen without them?
I have a hard time believing that, I truly do. Were that the truth, it would be so easy to solve that we would expect the problem never to manifest itself in the first place.
LOL. I'm learning in this forum, from reading other threads. As I understood, the Hadiths details the comandments the Quaram says that must be obeyed. Severity and agressiveness, as we observe in some muslim comunities, would come from irrestrict acceptance of some Hadiths.
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illykitty
RF's pet cat
You would still get disagreements but I don't think it would be quite as big, from my interaction in a Quran only forum. They can agree to disagree.
I don't think people would agree to not use Hadith anymore. You can just see on this forum how people think they're essential. Even if it could resolve the problems.
Imagine any other religion getting rid of one of their texts...
Actually, I get much the opposite impression. No one seems to think following Hadiths should be a priority. Their acceptance of same is almost, and perhaps literally, begrudging. Due to a literal lack of options, even.
What of it? Are you implying that it would be a big deal?
Quite often it simply is not.
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illykitty
RF's pet cat
You're misreading what I'm saying. I did not say it is a priority but a vast majority of Muslims believe that follow the messenger, as described in the Quran means to follow Hadith. They simply won't throw Hadith away. Quran is the priority but Hadith is second most important. You would need to convince them that Quran is the only thing to follow.
It is in Islam. Would Hindus get rid of Bhagavad Gita? Would Buddhists get rid of Pali cannon?
Ps are you grumpy or something? You come across as so.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
The Qur'an is the first and main source of Islam, as it is the Word of God.
Hadith is the second source, inspired by God which details what is mentioned in the Qur'an in global terms.
Taking a decision on whether God exists or not, is the first step for an atheist, before going into the details of worship and transactions, ... etc
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Finding God is a journey which takes time, Luis
My comment is not at all meant to be disrespectful
Understanding the Qur'an takes time. It is easier when you read it in its original language, but when this is not possible one has to read a translation of the meanings of the Qur'an.
And it depends which translation you read. Some are better than others, so the first step would be to read a good translation.
There are many other issues involved to reach a good understanding for someone who is interested in finding the truth, so do give it time ...
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
If God's existence were so obvious and apparent why should we have to find him Cordoba?
Quite a few are attempting to do that constantly, though.
That would be quite a trick, since I neither believe that to be accurate nor to be a good idea.
And it is over-valued plenty enough already. So?
Given adequate incentive, I must assume so. I don't dare think so little of my Dharma brothers and sisters as to doubt it.
As a tangent, it is well-known and no secret at all that we Buddhists are expected to let go of Buddhism when it fulfills its purpose.
I am not generally sympathetic to encouragement of over-valuing any scriptures. Attempts at emphasizing Quran in order to correct perceived faults of Hadiths rub me quite wrong indeed. It sounds like discussing whether to hold a Colt or a Smith & Wesson to one's own temple.
I can't help but want to grab hold of people and shake them into seeing how destructive and silly the whole subject is.
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