SpeaksForTheTrees
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Values are purely subjective without better definition all you can create is a perpetual circle of disagreement.
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Is Islam Compatible With Western Values?
- Thread starter Rival
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Are they? Why?
Agreement can be attained. It is not exactly easy to convince others, but it is by no means impossible.
SpeaksForTheTrees
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Principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life. Varies individual to individual
They do vary, but it is something of a leap to say that they are purely subjective. And if they were, than they would be completely unconnected to law as well.
SpeaksForTheTrees
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They are subjective in making the comparison , I only understand the comparison Islamic laws compared to western laws , that is the objective discussion ?
SpeaksForTheTrees
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No is not compatible with western value ,principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life. Is of much lower value cherished than in Islam .
We taint Islam comparing to western value
Hookers , Druggies , Criminals , Cheating , stealing , lying is far more common an accepted practice of west , some west nation even carry weapons.
We taint Islam comparing to western value
Hookers , Druggies , Criminals , Cheating , stealing , lying is far more common an accepted practice of west , some west nation even carry weapons.
I don't think that is an objective comparison at all, personally. And I am at a loss on why you would disagree when you insist that values are subjective.
I fear this is not very clear.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Values are lower in west ?
How can I answer that? What measure do you want me to use?
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Within the religious context of depravity ?
McBell
Unbound
Some of them, yes.
Some of them are higher.
McBell
Unbound
poisoning the well?
As I understand it? Probably not. I find expectations of theism and of conformity to mass preferences very depraved.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Go to any western city at weekend is full of hookers drug addict drunks and young girls not wearing knickers , crime those people are of low moral value.
Go to Islamic city Saturday night is none of that.
So in religious context principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life.
Are much lower in west.
Should of said is no god and walked bro , OP is in religious context ?
SpeaksForTheTrees
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You wouldn't last 20 minutes under Islamic law I'm guessing
So very and regrettably true. But not significant enough to make Islamic societies less depraved IMO, particularly once the price paid for that tranquility is taken into account.
Uh, no. You may think so, but I just don't see how I could agree.
Sorry, but this is truly difficult to parse. I have little idea of what you mean to say.
Which is as good an example as any of how feeble are any claims that Islamic values are less depraved than Western ones.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
In fact human values are so low in west is a depression perscription drug epidemic for many to just be able to face the day , most people I know even the money drinks every night .
Again, how exactly do you know that such a situation is clearly worse than that of Islamic societies?
(Also, there is still some sort of language problem. I can't understand what you mean by "even the money drinks every night.")
(Also, there is still some sort of language problem. I can't understand what you mean by "even the money drinks every night.")