is islam 'really' peaceful?

[Estro Felino]

may be i used the wrong word worship? but it's pretty close I think.. his name is up just about as often as the word Allah.. and whoever disrespects muhammad near any Muslims.. well.. who knows what happens but I imagine they won't be let it go..

they can take their religion as seriously as they like but that doesn't mean everyone else has to, islam is a religion yet we are called racist when we say anything bad about it, is islam a race? and by bad i mean ANYTHING that even slightly is offending it's taken as a big deal and it is in some countries illegal to speak anything negative towards islam but so often times it is totally ok for muslims to gather up on the streets protesting against the very country that welcomed them to live and work there.

There is like I said many many good Muslim people but it really appears that there is more bad than good. Well i'm not even sure what a good muslim is? someone that doesn't ant to kill me because i don't believe in allah? someone who doesn't think everyone in the world should turn to islam or burn in hell? someone who doesn't support stoning? I don't know... someone tell me what a good muslim is?

I understand what you mean. I am Christian, but don't mind acknowledging that the old Testament is full of anti-Christian things, and some passages are really inspired by the Devil, not by God.
Because they speak of a vengeful, blood-thirsty, jealous God, who has never existed.
so only the passages that speak of a loving, kind and merciful God are truly inspired.

another thing of the NT: Saint Paul said that women have no right to speak in assemblies. I know that Saint Paul was a sexist and a very uncultured person,
so I forgive him and I decontextualize his words.
that is , I understand that he was trapped in his sexist culture.

because Christianity says that women are equal to men.

 

[groves200]

and I don't know why Muslims care so much that the world should turn to Islam? why is that so important? if we don't turn to Islam we burn in hell and that's our problem not theirs so why does it matter to them so much

 

[LuisDantas]

ask any Finnish person what the police do when you *acidently* fall in to a gypsies knife 7 times I don't know why the favour them.. may be because their scared? no idea.. we have a beautiful country but then we have 'outsiders' who destroy it.

I guess you did not understand my perspective...

 

[AlphaAlex115]

Is it peaceful? Lol no.

 

[groves200]

I guess you did not understand my perspective...

sorry... can you explain?

 

[LuisDantas]

sorry... can you explain?

I guess I have the duty to, don't I?

I am a radical anti-nationalist. I focus on the duties humanity has towards itself and I make a point of ignoring national distinctions whenever it is at all possible.

And I have also concluded that many of our current challenges are to a very large extent fairly direct results of social disparities that have gone too far and been accepted too throughly. Finland, as many other Nordic Countries, deals with those perhaps a bit better than most other countries in part because it is not quite so populated; there is more of a proximity between decision makers and the everyday people.

It is conceivable (to me at least) that a sufficiently advanced society may, indeed, decide that it is its moral duty to assume the best of foreigners, at least to some extent. If for no other reason, because it has a better understanding of its own citizens (and therefore better means of dealing fairly with them) than it will have of foreigners.

That, of course, is to a large degree unevidenced speculation from me. And I look forward to evidence one way or the other. You have suggested me a glimpse of possible evidence.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is conceivable (to me at least) that a sufficiently advanced society may, indeed, decide that it is its moral duty to assume the best of foreigners, at least to some extent. If for no other reason, because it has a better understanding of its own citizens (and therefore better means of dealing fairly with them) than it will have of foreigners.

yes, an advanced society has that moral duty. But the foreigners have the moral duty not to overpopulate the country that welcomes them.
So, as the people of an advanced nation tend not to make babies because they can't afford them, the foreigners are supposed to follow this tendency.

 

[Phil25]

An Immigrant has the Duty to respect the Host Country.

 

[LuisDantas]

Most of us have duties that are beyond our means. I know that I do. It might be a good idea to acknowledge that and work from there.

 

[outhouse]

Its hard to move past ignorant and barbaric behaviour when those acting that way, drag you down to their level.

If a fly decides to bring violence and aggression upon others due to percieved faith. Dont complain when the fly swatter comes out.

 

[outhouse]

Found this.

Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace

10. Muhammad nicknames his weapons.
Tabari (AD 839-923) is an early Muslim historian who is considered largely reliable by scholars today. In fact, the State University of New York Press selected his history to be translated into 38 volumes. (We use The Last Years of the Prophet, trans. Ismail K. Poonawala, 9:153-55.)
In the context of the list of Muhammad’s assets at the end of his life (horses, camels, milch sheep, and so on), Tabari records the nicknames of Muhammad weapons.
Muhammad nicknames three swords that he took from the Jewish tribe Qaynuqa after he banished them from Medina in April 624: "Pluck Out," "Very Sharp," and "Death." Two other swords from elsewhere are named: "Sharp" and "That is wont to sink" (presumably into human flesh). After his Hijrah or Emigration from Mecca to Medina in 622, he owned two swords called "Sharp" and "Having the vertebrae of the back." This last sword he collected as booty after his victory at the Battle of Badr in March 624.
Next, Muhammad took three bows from the Qaynuqa tribe and named them as follows: "Most conducive to ease, or wide," "white," and "of nab wood" (species of tree from which bows are made).
The name of a coat of mail implies "ampleness" or "redundant portions," probably because Muhammad was portly (cf. Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, trans. Guillaume, p. 383).
Finally, even Muhammad himself has a nickname. After Tabari lists the positive ones, he matter-of-factly provides one that is not so positive: "The obliterator."
Muslim apologists may object that Tabari is not authoritative (except when he shows Muhammad as heroic or victorious) and that he is not on the same level as the Quran and some hadiths (words and deeds of Muhammad outside of the Quran). This is true. But Muslim apologists still must answer why such a tradition of naming weapons developed about Muhammad. After all, later, unauthoritative traditions about Christ developed, but they do not show him even owning weapons, let alone naming them. The answer to this question about Muhammad is found in the next nine reasons.

 

[Phil25]

Most of us have duties that are beyond our means. I know that I do. It might be a good idea to acknowledge that and work from there.

Respecting the host country is not a duty beyond one's means.

 

[beenie]

no thanks i want to live to see my next birthday.

I find it hard to believe that you will be killed for entering a mosque in Finland (or just about anywhere else).

Having the absolute truth of God on your side tends to incite certain types of people to extreme acts of violence and aggression. Some religions paint themselves as having the absolute truth to a greater degree than others.

Probably the most accurate post in this thread.

may be i used the wrong word worship? but it's pretty close I think.. his name is up just about as often as the word Allah.. and whoever disrespects muhammad near any Muslims.. well.. who knows what happens but I imagine they won't be let it go..

they can take their religion as seriously as they like but that doesn't mean everyone else has to, islam is a religion yet we are called racist when we say anything bad about it, is islam a race? and by bad i mean ANYTHING that even slightly is offending it's taken as a big deal and it is in some countries illegal to speak anything negative towards islam but so often times it is totally ok for muslims to gather up on the streets protesting against the very country that welcomed them to live and work there.

There is like I said many many good Muslim people but it really appears that there is more bad than good. Well i'm not even sure what a good muslim is? someone that doesn't ant to kill me because i don't believe in allah? someone who doesn't think everyone in the world should turn to islam or burn in hell? someone who doesn't support stoning? I don't know... someone tell me what a good muslim is?

There are an estimated 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. How can you say there are "more bad than good"? Do you know at least 8 MILLION bad Muslims to make your point? I think not.

 

[Phil25]

I find it hard to believe that you will be killed for entering a mosque in Finland (or just about anywhere else).

Isnt he from Finland? Isnt he a Finn? So shouldnt he(a Finn) know more about the state of affairs of Finland than a Non Finn?

 

[outhouse]

Probably the most accurate post in this thread.



There are an estimated 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. How can you say there are "more bad than good"? Do you know at least 8 MILLION bad Muslims to make your point? I think not.

Finally a positive reference we all can use.


The fundamentalist promote the stereotype so much, it hides and blinds us to the reality here. :bow:


Im guilty of letting the 3 or 4 bad apples in here influence my total view [insert facepalm on myself here]

 

[beenie]

Isnt he from Finland? Isnt he a Finn? So shouldnt he(a Finn) know more about the state of affairs of Finland than a Non Finn?

I need proof then that people get KILLED for simply visiting a mosque anywhere--and in particular--Finland since this is where we are talking about. If it's paranoia based on the media's portrayal of Muslims, then yes, it's ridiculous to think that a non-Muslim would be killed for visiting a mosque. Is there a report of someone being killed for visiting a mosque in Finland? If so, then I apologize in advance.

If not, then nice try, Phil.

Finally a positive reference we all can use.


The fundamentalist promote the stereotype so much, it hides and blinds us to the reality here. :bow:


Im guilty of letting the 3 or 4 bad apples in here influence my total view [insert facepalm on myself here]

I'm guilty of the same thing, and believe me, I don't blame anyone for feeling this way. It's hard not to.

(and thank you)

 

[LuisDantas]

Respecting the host country is not a duty beyond one's means.

I honestly have no idea of what you mean by that.

 

[Phil25]

I honestly have no idea of what you mean by that.

OK, If you are a immigrant, then it shouldnt be a big deal to respect the host country's culture, etc.

 

[groves200]

I find it hard to believe that you will be killed for entering a mosque in Finland (or just about anywhere else).



Probably the most accurate post in this thread.



There are an estimated 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. How can you say there are "more bad than good"? Do you know at least 8 MILLION bad Muslims to make your point? I think not.

it was sarcasm, their not friendly. but feel free to come here and try it.

where did i say there are more bad muslims than good?

 

[groves200]

I guess I have the duty to, don't I?

I am a radical anti-nationalist. I focus on the duties humanity has towards itself and I make a point of ignoring national distinctions whenever it is at all possible.

And I have also concluded that many of our current challenges are to a very large extent fairly direct results of social disparities that have gone too far and been accepted too throughly. Finland, as many other Nordic Countries, deals with those perhaps a bit better than most other countries in part because it is not quite so populated; there is more of a proximity between decision makers and the everyday people.

It is conceivable (to me at least) that a sufficiently advanced society may, indeed, decide that it is its moral duty to assume the best of foreigners, at least to some extent. If for no other reason, because it has a better understanding of its own citizens (and therefore better means of dealing fairly with them) than it will have of foreigners.

That, of course, is to a large degree unevidenced speculation from me. And I look forward to evidence one way or the other. You have suggested me a glimpse of possible evidence.

what evidence can I give? come to live here and then you can decide.. or just ask finnish people.. ?