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Is Islam Responsible for the Charlie Hebdo Murders?

Was Charlie Hebdo a target because of Islamic ideology?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 60.5%

  • No

    Votes: 8 18.6%

  • Other (Explain)

    Votes: 9 20.9%
  • Total voters
    43
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Elusive Truth

Member
jonathan180iq said:
Asserting that you have no subjective reality implies that your law and your religion is the truth that would be objective reality. I can assure you that it is not.

Hence, it's subjective.
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I am an American... nothing more, no need to bow to me.

The founding documents are my religious texts...

I was born in the first secular nation, what do you expect?
 
jonathan180iq

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Elusive Truth said:
I am an American... nothing more, no need to bow to me.

The founding documents are my religious texts...

I was born in the first secular nation, what do you expect?
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So am I - but to hold those documents as flawless accounts, applicable to all men, is kind of short-sighted isn't it? Even the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution are limited in their application by those who wrote them. Their version of reality, regardless of how much I agree with it, is still subjective. They aren't holy documents.
 
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Elusive Truth

Member
jonathan180iq said:
I can assure you that it is not.

Hence, it's subjective.
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My reality existing in my Nation is objective, I walk through life with an objectivity to the values of my nations founding documents.

If you would like to try to convince me otherwise or convert me to your dogma/religion/creed,

You are more than welcome to try.
 
jonathan180iq

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Elusive Truth said:
My reality existing in my Nation is objective, I walk through life with an objectivity to the values of my nations founding documents.

If you would like to try to convince me otherwise or convert me to your dogma/religion/creed,

You are more than welcome to try.
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I would not do that, because I do not claim to have a complete hold on objective reality. I wouldn't deny to even read someone's response to me, for example, because I was insulted or whatever by the very notion that some, if not most, of my personal convictions were subjective.

Regardless of how much you think you know about the Constitution, for example, you will never fully understand the intent of each and every line written by each and every author. So you'd have to admit that, as much as you might try, your own objective view of the world around is limited to your subjective understanding of that document.

Do you understand?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Elusive Truth said:
a "Radical" Islamist is no different from my vantage point than an Atheist, I believe a "radical" Islamist is a non-believer.

*neither value a human life as sacred and are willing to kill, on a State level or individual level.
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Where on earth did you get this misguided, prejudicial, and flat out weird idea?

1. Why don't you think that Atheists value human life (and please don't tell me this is about abortion rights, as that is a legal rights issue that atheists are not all on one side of ... very stereotypical)
2. Why do you think that Atheists are "ready to kill"? I've never met one atheist that was murderous. I have, however, met many "believers" who were. So, I would have to ask for some objective evidence to prove this claim.

I'm sorry, but it is extremely troubling when people look down on those that do not share their beliefs in the supernatural. It is completely unsubstantiated, and acts to group all Atheists as believing and behaving in the same way. The religious wonder why Atheists are so up in arms these days (metaphorically speaking of course), and it's pretty easy to see why when there are religious people who feel as you do. Please explain your reasoning behind these views.
 
Looncall

Looncall

Well-Known Member
leibowde84 said:
I have got to assume that the vast majority of Muslims do not support violence as a reaction to a few satirical cartoons. So, let's hope they start speaking out against this sort of brutality.
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I wonder how vast it is. There have been troubling polls from Britain and there has been violence here in Canada over disagreements among muslims.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
gsaseeker said:
I don't know, but I assume the topic rarely comes up in religious forums. Islamist violence has a religious dimension, though, which explains the presence of threads like this one.
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I am not talkign about just in this DIR 'Religious Debate' or generale religious DIRs ,

since i am here for maybe 5 years ago.
even in other DIRs like politic , especially in Middle Easterns DIR , I never read a thread (made by Western) critic the Western involved in Iraq or Syria or Libya .
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Elusive Truth said:
Prejudice implies certain connotations in its undertones.

I base my opinion on observational behavioral scientific fact.

Would you like to take it to trial?
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So, you actually think that all Atheists are "ready to kill?" I am ready to "take it to trial" for sure. Excited, because I know your claims are baseless. Let's do it!!
 
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