Is Islam Responsible for the Charlie Hebdo Murders?

[leibowde84]

I wonder how vast it is. There have been troubling polls from Britain and there has been violence here in Canada over disagreements among muslims.

I just want to assume ... really badly. I know some Muslims myself who aren't in favor of cold-blooded murder as retribution for drawings.

 

[Elusive Truth]

So, you actually think that all Atheists are "ready to kill?" I am ready to "take it to trial" for sure. Excited, because I know your claims are baseless. Let's do it!!

State Atheism (Communism) is the same as Radical Islam (Islamic Fascism) yes...

They are both prepared to kill. (for their ideology)

God commands not to kill, under any circumstance.

 

[leibowde84]

Majority rules in a democracy Sir Winston

There are simply more Theist on planet Earth, something on the order of 99.8%

You will lose this case

Geeze, I was just asking you a question. I did not know what "laws" you were referring to. There are many countries in the world. Most have their own system of laws. So, it was a pretty reasonable question.

 

[leibowde84]

State Atheism (Communism) is the same as Islamic Fascism yes...

They are both prepared to kill.

Communism is not State Atheism. It is a system of Government. While the members of this party might be atheists, there are other members who are not. But, it is unreasonable to blame a lack of belief for the ills of communism. But, to claim that Islamic Facism is even similar to Communism is pretty outlandish. Can you explain why you think they are "the same?" Because, I can point out many differences.

 

[leibowde84]

State Atheism (Communism) is the same as Radical Islam yes...

They are both prepared to kill.

God commands not to kill, under any circumstance.

Blanket statements such as this are almost always wrong. All atheists are not the same in any way apart from a lack of belief in the supernatural.

 

[leibowde84]

I am an American... nothing more, no need to bow to me.

The founding documents are my religious texts...

I was born in the first secular nation, what do you expect?

So, what is your religion? You are all over the place.

 

[Elusive Truth]

Communism is not State Atheism. It is a system of Government. While the members of this party might be atheists, there are other members who are not. But, it is unreasonable to blame a lack of belief for the ills of communism. But, to claim that Islamic Facism is even similar to Communism is pretty outlandish. Can you explain why you think they are "the same?" Because, I can point out many differences.

I added notes, editing my message above for you to get more information.

*I am of Soviet decent good Sir, you are not going to preach Atheism to the choir.

 

[leibowde84]

I added notes, editing my message above for you to get more information.

*I am of Soviet decent good Sir, you are not going to preach Atheism to the choir.

Ah, so you weren't saying they were the same, you were saying that they were similar in this respect. Everything you stated was true, as I see it. But, what does this have to do with atheism in general. These are merely examples of atheists who are "ready to kill." It doesn't say a single thing about atheists in general (not part of Islam or communism).

My problem is that you are making a generality, but have not provided any reasoning for it. Atheism was not what was wrong with Communism. Communism is just a horribly unrealistic and brutal form of government.

 

[Elusive Truth]

So, what is your religion? You are all over the place.

I was born in America... I am an American.

That is my religion.

*this is my country too, this is a nation of immigrants.

 

[Elusive Truth]

Ah, so you weren't saying they were the same, you were saying that they were similar in this respect. Everything you stated was true, as I see it. But, what does this have to do with atheism in general. These are merely examples of atheists who are "ready to kill." It doesn't say a single thing about atheists in general (not part of Islam or communism).

My problem is that you are making a generality, but have not provided any reasoning for it. Atheism was not what was wrong with Communism. Communism is just a horribly unrealistic and brutal form of government.

No, I said they are the same...

They are both prepared to kill.

Or have no conscious otherwise about doing so...

 

[Elusive Truth]

Blanket statements such as this are almost always wrong. All atheists are not the same in any way apart from a lack of belief in the supernatural.

Darwinism is Atheism is Marxism is Communism.

Try as you may... you will never separate one from the other.

We have physical tangible evidence... "History"

Marxist–Leninist atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[leibowde84]

I was born in America... I am an American.

That is my religion.

*this is my country too, this is a nation of immigrants.

I never said it wasn't. Sorry if you took my question that way. So, you are one of the atheists that you were describing? I'm confused, because your pic seems to lead me to believe you are a Christian.

 

[leibowde84]

No, I said they are the same...

They are both prepared to kill.

Or have no conscious otherwise about doing so...

Communists and Islamists? Well, for some of them you are probably right, but certainly not all of them. And, what about the fact that Islamists do everything in the name of their religion while communism outlaws religion?

 

[leibowde84]

Darwinism is Atheism is Marxism is Communism.

Try as you may... you will never separate one from the other.

We have physical tangible evidence... "History"

Marxist–Leninist atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Darwinism is a scientific hypothesis developed by a Christian. Communism is a system of government. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity. How are they related?

 

[Elusive Truth]

I never said it wasn't..

Just defensive, sry.

I have also applied for membership on the planet Internet, I hope it goes through

 

[leibowde84]

Darwinism is Atheism is Marxism is Communism.

Try as you may... you will never separate one from the other.

We have physical tangible evidence... "History"

Marxist–Leninist atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Marxist-Lenninist" Atheism is a form of atheism. It says nothing for the rest of the atheist community. That doesn't prove a thing. And, you cited wikapedia, which can be altered by anyone at will. Do you have an alternative source?

 

[leibowde84]

Just defensive, sry.

I have also applied for membership on the planet Internet, I hope it goes through

that's cool. Glad to have you in the US. And, I'm glad you made it out of the Soviet Union too! What was that like, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Cephus]

You would be wrong about that, I am sorry.

Scientific observational evidence is admissible.

Admissible but not determined. Try again.

 

[Elusive Truth]

Darwinism is a scientific hypothesis developed by a Christian. Communism is a system of government. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity. How are they related?

Christians? I don't blame Christians for what the atheist went and done with it... and ruined my homeland.

All of that is changing now back home but it is still too late.

There is talk of conspiracy again and people are saying the Church is now in control of the Union.

This is dangerous talk and it is to be feared...

 

[Jumi]

even in other DIRs like politic , especially in Middle Easterns DIR , I never read a thread (made by Western) critic the Western involved in Iraq or Syria or Libya .

You have read critical comment about the invasion and wars. From me at least. I didn't support any of these.