Is Israel commiting war crimes? Urban warfare expert weighs in

[Jimmy]

Woman shouldn't fight in wars?Yes

Woman shouldn't fight in wars?

Yes
I was talking about the women and children civilians that were slaughtered on October 7

I know the 200 Palestinians in 2022 were civilians but at least they were men

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes
I was talking about the women and children civilians that were slaughtered on October 7

Would that apply to women & children slaughtered on other dates by Israel?

 

[Harel13]

Trying to be fair, I don't see how the Israeli forces can be sure that any given civilian building houses armed enemy combatants.

Here's where military intelligence usually steps in. This likely includes the use of local informants, double agents, phone tapping and satellite imagery. For example, an informant or a double agent could inform the IDF that a certain building contains enemy weaponry and/or forces, and satellite imagery may show enemy forces carrying weapons into a building.

I'll now go on to admit that they have a difficult "job" to do if their aim is to kill all Hamas people with no collateral deaths. Is there another way? I'm glad I don't have the job of finding one, but I do think that one should be sought.

I don't think the Israeli government has ever even attempted to make such a claim, because it would be delusional. In every war there are, unfortunately, civilian causalities, particularly when the enemy is based in a dense urban area, and especially when considering that past conflicts have shown that Hamas routinely uses locals as human shields.

 

[Jimmy]

Would that apply to women & children slaughtered on other dates by Israel?

Yeah after the slaughter of innocent women and children October 7 Israel got quite upset and unfortunately started slaughtering their women and children albeit by accident

 

[Jimmy]

Would that apply to women & children slaughtered on other dates by Israel?

Israel doesn’t intentionally set out to harm Innocent women and children as far as I can tell. But Hamas does

 

[Jimmy]

Would that apply to women & children slaughtered on other dates by Israel?

I edited last post

 

[Harel13]

From one of the articles you linked:

"“The fact that Hamas conceals its fighters and commanders beneath Shifa Hospital is a widely known yet unspoken truth in Gaza.".

So let's say they are under the hospital. Again, I ask, why are the doctors, patients, displaced Gazans seeking shelter, and babies targets? They aren't underneath the hospital. Surely one of the most powerful armies on earth could figure something else out.

This is a misrepresentation of the situation. They aren't targets. In fact, the IDF is providing specific hours during which civilians may freely evacuate the hospital. For the time being, the hospital's staff has announced that it won't evacuate. If any of them may be harmed when the IDF eventually storms the hospital, why should that be the IDF's fault?
"Surely one of the most powerful armies on earth could figure something else out" - This is isn't a sci-fi or fantasy film where one flick of a sonic screwdriver or the Elder Wand magically fixes everything. Have you evidence that there is any other way to flush out all of the terrorists there?

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel doesn’t intentionally set out to harm Innocent women and children as far as I can tell. But Hamas does

When sending missiles into homes occupied by
families, they know they'll be killing women &
children. Intent to push the button is intent to
cause these foreseeable consequences.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes
I was talking about the women and children civilians that were slaughtered on October 7

I know the 200 Palestinians in 2022 were civilians but at least they were men

Killing men isn't as bad as killing women or children?
Dang...I'd better watch out.

 

[Jimmy]

Killing men isn't as bad as killing women or children?
Dang...I'd better watch out.

Unfortunately In war it is. When there’s a war you’re bound to have “goofy” standards

 

[Jimmy]

Killing men isn't as bad as killing women or children?
Dang...I'd better watch out.

But then again killing a child is pretty bad because they haven’t even had a chance to live their life and they’re more helpless too.

 

[Jimmy]

When sending missiles into homes occupied by
families, they know they'll be killing women &
children. Intent to push the button is intent to
cause these foreseeable consequences.

Israel gave warning

 

[Jimmy]

When sending missiles into homes occupied by
families, they know they'll be killing women &
children. Intent to push the button is intent to
cause these foreseeable consequences.

I’m not defending Israel. I think there are a bunch of goofballs in this war anyway. I’m just sayin

 

[Revoltingest]

But then again killing a child is pretty bad because they haven’t even had a chance to live their life and they’re more helpless too.

The significant difference I see is that children
are far far far less likely to be legitimate targets.

 

[Orbit]

This is a misrepresentation of the situation. They aren't targets. In fact, the IDF is providing specific hours during which civilians may freely evacuate the hospital. For the time being, the hospital's staff has announced that it won't evacuate. If any of them may be harmed when the IDF eventually storms the hospital, why should that be the IDF's fault?
"Surely one of the most powerful armies on earth could figure something else out" - This is isn't a sci-fi or fantasy film where one flick of a sonic screwdriver or the Elder Wand magically fixes everything. Have you evidence that there is any other way to flush out all of the terrorists there?

If they aren't targets then why are Israeli snipers shooting patients?

And they are bombing the routes south even as they give those instructions. The doctors can't evacuate because they are taking care of babies with manual ventilators, surgery patients, and others who also can't evacuate. They don't even have ambulances to try evacuation because Israel blew those up, too. Also, it seems awfully convenient to decide that whomever gets killed in Gaza is "really Hamas". That's over 4,000 "Hamas" children now. Or were they terrorists, too?

And then there's this--are they all Hamas, too? Is every Palestinian Hamas? Because "kill them all" seems to be the goal.

Palestinians flee as Israel raids Jenin camp in the occupied West Bank

Residents were given just two hours to flee the assault which has killed 14 Palestinians.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel gave warning

To people who couldn't flee.
This is how Israelis can trick themselves to feel
good about themselves when committing murder.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not defending Israel. I think there are a bunch of goofballs in this war anyway. I’m just sayin

I address treating Jewish killers with
more charity than Muslim killers.

 

[Jimmy]

To people who couldn't flee.
This is how Israelis can trick themselves to feel
good about themselves when committing murder.

I agree. But they did give warning.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have yet to see any of this "evidence", but let's suppose that Hamas is under the hospital.

Israel's position appears to be "no cease fire without the immediate release of the hostages." [*] Hamas refuses, and their refusal raises not the slightest whimper from you and too many others.

So tell me, how is it that you, and to a qualitatively greater extent Hamas, do not share culpability?

[*] a position I find to be repulsive

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. But they did give warning.

I wonder if rape is OK if the victim is first warned?