Is it God's will when children are raped tortured, and murdered?

[interminable]

Then why bother getting us born? Why not just leave us there?

See
GOD created animals with passions without any reason and created angels with reason without any passions and then created human being that has both reason and passion

In human being
If reason overcomes the passions he is above angles and is closer to God
If passions overcome the reason he is baser than animals

This statement is from Islam's prophet

The ultimate reason for creating us is :

الملك
الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْمَوْتَ وَالْحَيَاةَ لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًا وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفُورُ
[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving - (2)

Acute or obtuse?

If God is uninterested in stopping us, there are a lot of rules and such we have to go by GIVEN BY HIM (supposedly). If He truly valued our freedom, He wouldn't bother with laws either, even the Golden Rule.

So in your case creating heaven and hell would be meaningless
Who has told that we are free to do whatever we want???
Can we live in a society without any laws???
Besides rules that are laid down by God are different from human made laws

There are lots of benefits beyond them that just gnostics can understand

Does He forget He told Jesus to tell us that even sinners love those who love them? Is God unwilling or unable to use the standard He wants from US?

Since there are some versions of bible I can't trust that this is God's statement

The only book that isn't distorted is Quran

 

[viole]

Seems to me to be Satan's will.

Is God's will to let Satan doing his will?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Prestor John]

I don't understand how you don't understand that.
rape or the other is of course is not free will. Its not entire of it's self.

Are you claiming that no one wants to get raped or killed or that rapists and murderers don't have free will?

The first one goes without saying and the second is not true.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

See
GOD created animals with passions without any reason and created angels with reason without any passions and then created human being that has both reason and passion

In human being
If reason overcomes the passions he is above angles and is closer to God
If passions overcome the reason he is baser than animals

I've seen plenty of reasonable nonhumans and plenty of irrational humans. So ...

So in your case creating heaven and hell would be meaningless

I'm just saying He's not 100% interested in our freedom, is all.

Who has told that we are free to do whatever we want???
Can we live in a society without any laws???

No, but that's the point. We AREN'T free. Free will is an illusion.

The only book that isn't distorted is Quran

I'm sure. At any rate, I grasp it at least sounds a lot better in Arabic. Now if only I spoke/read it. I'm stuck with English translations that cut most of the beauty of the sounds out of it.

Are you claiming that no one wants to get raped or killed or that rapists and murderers don't have free will?

I think the point is that if you ignore the rapist out of respect for "free will", you certainly aren't respecting the VICTIM's free will not to get raped. It's a respect only afforded to the criminal.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> this is funny really
everytime we heard
We AREN'T free. Free will is an illusion.
coz those kind of thinkin were came from those people who freely thinks somethin to make their own arguments
as they contradicts their own statement

as they say
did someone force you
to marry your husband or your wife
and
guess what they will say
coz it really tickle a lot


:ty:




godbless
unto all always

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Are you claiming that no one wants to get raped or killed or that rapists and murderers don't have free will?

The first one goes without saying and the second is not true.

Its not that hard.

But I will say one thing about those two mess with a free will in messed up way that is actually not free will or the serpent evolution knowledge.
Hands down.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> humans literally evolved in thinkin
so thats it shall not hard for them
to determine nor choose somethin
with the help any knowlegde
given unto them by god
for freewill is a knowlegde indeed
as what god says before
(though he send those angels as his messanger
to tell his messages)
as it is written
:read:
Genesis 2:16
The LORD God commanded the man. He said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden.
17 But you must never eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because when you eat from it, you will certainly die."

as they say
did the serpent forced the woman to eat one of the forbidden fruit
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil


:ty:




godbless
unto all always

 

[Prestor John]

I think the point is that if you ignore the rapist out of respect for "free will", you certainly aren't respecting the VICTIM's free will not to get raped. It's a respect only afforded to the criminal.

I don't "ignore" anything and neither does God.

God promised Man free will. If a man decides to rob someone else of free will, they are using their free will to do so and God cannot be blamed.

If He interfered then He would be a liar because He promised Man free will.

 

[Prestor John]

Its not that hard.

But I will say one thing about those two mess with a free will in messed up way that is actually not free will or the serpent evolution knowledge.
Hands down.

I do not understand.