Is it God's will when children are raped tortured, and murdered?

[Spiderman]

@1robin

It appears you are. You are admitting God's actions are morally justifiable which is exactly what I have been saying. If so then you have no problem which requires no refutation.

See, you haven't been listening (Status quo)...I didn't say morally justifiable according to what I see as morality and charity...but I mean he is God , so he decides that it is justified according to his standards. He decides what's good. That doesn't mean I have to agree with him as I've stated many times.

If you have the ability to recognize contradiction, then you know the Bible often states the opposite of what it previously did.

It is good according to what I see as good that Moses thought God's plans were asinine, disagreed with God, and got him to repent (was my point)

 

[Spiderman]

@1robin

It is not the issue whether God allows events to occur that we might not like it is whether God is morally unjustified to do so.

No, it is the issue.

As I've explained many times, ( which you clearly don't listen )The topic of the thread is whether or not God wants Children raped, tortured, and killed, not whether it is justifiable or not. In God's eyes and according to his definition, he is justified in everything he does, including changing his mind when someone tells him his plans are absurd.

Your claim that I contradict myself is actually the result of your apparently not reading my posts. I have been stating consistently that God determines what is good and that he wants people raped, tortured, and killed. I also argued we can contend with God and get him to change his mind.

That was the entire purpose of this thread and I've been EXTREMELY CONSISTENT in my approach.

 

[1robin]

@1robin

No, it is the issue.

As I've explained many times, ( which you clearly don't listen )The topic of the thread is whether or not God wants Children raped, tortured, and killed, not whether it is justifiable or not. In God's eyes and according to his definition, he is justified in everything he does, including changing his mind when someone tells him his plans are absurd.

Your claim that I contradict myself is actually the result of your apparently not reading my posts. I have been stating consistently that God determines what is good and that he wants people raped, tortured, and killed. I also argued we can contend with God and get him to change his mind.

That was the entire purpose of this thread and I've been EXTREMELY CONSISTENT in my approach.

No it isn't and your still not quoting me correctly. I would explain to you how to quote others but you do it correctly at times so you must know how but simply wish to erratically format your posts. That I can't fix. Regardless it is absolutely not relevant if God allows something you do not like. It does not matter if God allows something to occur that you wish not to happen. For pity's sake he allows us all to die, something virtually no one would wish to happen. God's allowing things we do not like is a given and meaningless. I nor God cares what you wanted to occur in any discussion about whether God was morally justified to allow the event. I have pointed out the difference over and over and I have also given up reasoning with you concerning this issue as you have already conceded all I wished to show. What you like and whether God has offended your sensibilities is not the issue yet it is the only claim you maintain. I am done and am tired of telling you so concerning this issue. I have all but decided to ignore you unless you change subjects.

 

[Spiderman]

No it isn't and your still not quoting me correctly. I would explain to you how to quote others but you do it correctly at times so you must know how but simply wish to erratically format your posts. That I can't fix. Regardless it is absolutely not relevant if God allows something you do not like. I nor God cares what you like in any discussion about whether God was morally justified to allow the event. I have pointed out the difference over and over and I have also given up reasoning with you concerning this issue as you have already conceded all I wished to show. What you like and whether God has offended you sensibilities is not the issue yet it is the only claim you maintain. I am done and am tired of telling you so concerning this.

And once again, I'll need to explain to you because after (Lord knows how many times) that the topic of this discussion was not suppossed to be about moral justification. Read the OP...was there anything in the original post that was speaking about God being right or wrong.

NO! The topic was about God wanting the evil to take place....in my original post, I didn't ask once, nor did I intend for it to be a topic on moral justification, but rather on the will of God.

Yes indeed, he wants some of his children to be tortured and murdered. No need to derail things into a discussion of moral justification, because in the end, only God decides what the definition of those words mean. Perhaps you should read the original post again and you will understand what this thread was supposed to be about , and how much you derailed the topic and repeatedly missed the point.

 

[1robin]

And once again, I'll need to explain to you because after (Lord knows how many times) that the topic of this discussion was not suppossed to be about moral justification. Read the OP...was there anything in the original post that was speaking about God being right or wrong.

NO! The topic was about God wanting the evil to take place....in my original post, I didn't ask once, nor did I intend for it to be a topic on moral justification, but rather on the will of God.

Yes indeed, he wants some of his children to be tortured and murdered. No need to derail things into a discussion of moral justification, because in the end, only God decides what the definition of those words mean. Perhaps you should read the original post again and you will understand what this thread was supposed to be about , and how much you derailed the topic and repeatedly missed the point.

I argue to my own satisfaction and have learned to do so to another's satisfaction is impossible. This issue is concluded to my own satisfaction and so all these additional attempts is beyond my own understanding of my reasonable duty. The matter is concluded to my standards, please change the subject or make a fresh approach as your claims are running in opposition to my clear responses and in circles. I have attempted to refrain from simply ignoring your responses here but I have exhausted the attempt. Please don't waste your time further repeating yourself without taking into account my clear explanations concerning the "problem of evil". After posting this I decided to make one last post if necessary that will show that this problem is very simple, that is if you desire my summary of this simplistic issue.

 

[Prestor John]

It is His will that His children have free will.

Yet, He does not condone sin.

 

[Milton Platt]

Seems to me to be Satan's will.

So Satan's will supercedes God's will and God is powerless to stop it? If God can stop it and chooses not to, he is just as guilty

 

[Milton Platt]

Saying it's our fault alone due to free will is actually the cop out, denying God has any part in anything even though its simultaneously claimed he knew exactly what would happen and left people so blind and confused.

I 100% believe in God because of what I've witnessed... There are things I like and loath about him.... However, it could be that he's aware they will have an eternity of bliss and he wants them to suffer for their reward and they won't care about their suffering in their mansion above.

Meaning, the reward in the next life might make them glad they suffered a nightmare in this one

That sounds like a god with a very sick mind to have children raped so they can rnjoy heaven

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

So Satan's will supercedes God's will and God is powerless to stop it? If God can stop it and chooses not to, he is just as guilty

That is an interesting question. In honesty Lucifer and the demons are not evil. If God was all powerful to stop Lucifer and the demons from doing "something" evil then he would have cared to stop them (Just an example.) In a way God does not care about anyone but only himself.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

That sounds like a god with a very sick mind to have children raped so they can rnjoy heaven

Because again god does not care about anything. He just loves to watch people suffer and then hope they will pray to him. The more they pray to god they more power they are giving him.

 

[Prestor John]

So Satan's will supercedes God's will and God is powerless to stop it? If God can stop it and chooses not to, he is just as guilty

I don't agree.

God gave us free will and He commanded us to choose the right. If we decide to not choose the right, but yield to the enticing of Satan, then it is on the one that chose wrongfully, not God.

If God intervened then we would not truly have free will, which would make God a liar because he claimed that we were free to choose how we would live.

Therefore, to keep His promise that we were to have free will, God does not intervene.

That sounds like a god with a very sick mind to have children raped so they can rnjoy heaven

God has never chosen anyone to be the victim of rape.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Why does anyone assume that is free will read the top again.
Rape??? free will
Murder assuming the other person doesn't want to, free will??
Well than,
God should stop campaigning against himself.

 

[Prestor John]

Why does anyone assume that is free will read the top again.
Rape??? free will
Murder assuming the other person doesn't want to, free will??
Well than,
God should stop campaigning against himself.

I don't understand your comment.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I don't understand your comment.

I don't understand how you don't understand that.
rape or the other is of course is not free will. Its not entire of it's self.

 

[interminable]

I don't know why u don't think that if God were supposed to stop any evil and devilish things he simply didn't bring us here
Instead of that He directly created us for heaven


If God wants to stop us from devilish things we aren't human anymore. we are angles instead

God hates those who disobey him and commit sins and are transgressors but it doesn't mean that he should stop them.

In the day of judgement all will be responded in the best way
Just wait

 

[azim24]

Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried? 29:2
But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars. 29:3
And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for what they have earned, He would not leave upon the earth any creature. But He defers them for a specified term. And when their time comes, then indeed Allah has ever been, of His servants, Seeing. 35:45
And never think that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them for a Day when eyes will stare [in horror]. 14:42
Racing ahead, their heads raised up, their glance does not come back to them, and their hearts are void. 14:43 Quran

 

[azim24]

And, [O Muhammad], warn the people of a Day when the punishment will come to them and those who did wrong will say, "Our Lord, delay us for a short term; we will answer Your call and follow the messengers." [But it will be said], "Had you not sworn, before, that for you there would be no cessation? 14:44
And you lived among the dwellings of those who wronged themselves, and it had become clear to you how We dealt with them. And We presented for you [many] examples."14:45

And they had planned their plan, but with Allah is [recorded] their plan, even if their plan had been [sufficient] to do away with the mountains. 14:46

So never think that Allah will fail in His promise to His messengers. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Owner of Retribution. 14:47

[It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing. 14:48

 

[azim24]

And you will see the criminals that Day bound together in shackles, 14:49
Their garments of liquid pitch and their faces covered by the Fire. 14:50
So that Allah will recompense every soul for what it earned. Indeed, Allah is swift in account. 14:51
This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded. 14:52

Insallah I don't broke any rules

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

People are not a script its left for you to think about.

Under rape and whatever you think its appropriate because you are trying those that you can mess with it's truly actually against free will which people also preach and then it's not entire of itself. Did you know that people would rarely have to preach sin.
You already hung yourself on the law. Lets not hope so.
And that is what God wants? No.
Similar to this but not the same you'd preach hypocrisy after you realize that.
The biggest hypocrisy teacher was Jesus Christ.
So live.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Instead of that He directly created us for heaven

Then why bother getting us born? Why not just leave us there?

If God wants to stop us from devilish things we aren't human anymore. we are angles instead

Acute or obtuse?

If God is uninterested in stopping us, there are a lot of rules and such we have to go by GIVEN BY HIM (supposedly). If He truly valued our freedom, He wouldn't bother with laws either, even the Golden Rule.

God hates those who disobey him and commit sins and are transgressors but it doesn't mean that he should stop them.

Does He forget He told Jesus to tell us that even sinners love those who love them? Is God unwilling or unable to use the standard He wants from US?