Is it important to know if God is real or not?

[Jeremiah]

I was refering to propositional knowledge rather than experience.

So?

"I was refering to propositional knowledge rather than experience."

Then next time don't use the word "all".

"So?"
It's like saying all dogs I have seen have tails therefore all dogs must have tails. Generally true but not always true. Until we have all knowledge we can say all knowledge is worth knowing.

 

[rojse]

That's a non sequitur, rojse.

If God exists, then we can ascertain how God affects the universe in which we live. Did God create the universe, and not intervene? Does God actively manipulate the world in which we live? I think we can only ascertain this once the existence of God is proven (not assumed).

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If God exists, then we can ascertain how God affects the universe in which we live.

Who made up that rule?

 

[McBell]

If God exists, then we can ascertain how God affects the universe in which we live.

Based upon what, exactly?

 

[Jeremiah]

How is a question like this answerable in any meaningful way?

Why should I waste my time on you, Jay?

 

[Yes Man]

Then next time don't use the word "all".

Although now that I think about it experience has its benefits too. Like when a journalism student works as an intern at a news station. He or she will will gain very valuable knowledge there. Or when someone loses a loved one to a terrible disease when he or she is young and dedicates their life to looking for a cure. While one facet of life is diminished, another expands. But no I don't say that all experience is good, but it is there and that is something we must acknowledge.

Until we have all knowledge we can say all knowledge is worth knowing.

So how close do think we are to getting that answer? As far as I'm concerned it's better to gain something while we're here than not.

 

[rojse]

If God exists, then we can ascertain how God affects the universe in which we live.

Who made up that rule?

Based upon what, exactly?

Now I know that I am most likely wrong, if I have both of you on my case about the exact same thing.

However, my thoughts were that if we have answered the initial presumption of whether God exists or not, we can start with this datum to examine what effects that this will have, and to find out what sort of God we have - does he actively intervene in the universe? If so, how? Can a rapport of some description be established between us and God in order to communicate with God?

 

[rojse]

Why should I waste my time on you, Jay?

You don't "waste" any time. If you are willing to learn, Jay is able to cite from a variety of credible sources about a plethora of subjects related to religion.

 

[McBell]

Now I know that I am most likely wrong, if I have both of you on my case about the exact same thing.

However, my thoughts were that if we have answered the initial presumption of whether God exists or not, we can start with this datum to examine what effects that this will have, and to find out what sort of God we have - does he actively intervene in the universe? If so, how? Can a rapport of some description be established between us and God in order to communicate with God?

Then why can it not be done now?

 

[Jeremiah]

You don't "waste" any time. If you are willing to learn, Jay is able to cite from a variety of credible sources about a plethora of subjects related to religion.

Yes, he does seem very smart. But he is also very childish and I just don't feel he is worth the effort.

 

[Jeremiah]

Although now that I think about it experience has its benefits too. Like when a journalism student works as an intern at a news station. He or she will will gain very valuable knowledge there. Or when someone loses a loved one to a terrible disease when he or she is young and dedicates their life to looking for a cure. While one facet of life is diminished, another expands. But no I don't say that all experience is good, but it is there and that is something we must acknowledge.

So how close do think we are to getting that answer? As far as I'm concerned it's better to gain something while we're here than not.

"So how close do think we are to getting that answer? As far as I'm concerned it's better to gain something while we're here than not."

And if you were going to prioritize, by importance, knowledge to be gained. Where would God's actuality fall on that list? Like would you say that it is very important, just important, or somewhat important?

Also kinda of a side question. Do you think that having faith in God is the more important over actually knowing God exist or is it the other way around?

 

[Yes Man]

Where would God's actuality fall on that list? Like would you say that it is very important, just important, or somewhat important?

Right now for me it's somewhat important. I'm more concerned with the world I'm living in and how it's doing rather than how it came here.

Do you think that having faith in God is the more important over actually knowing God exist or is it the other way around?

Personally I don't like the idea of faith.

 

[rojse]

Then why can it not be done now?

But would we not need to prove that God exists first before doing any experiments to see how God works?

 

[rojse]

Yes, he does seem very smart. But he is also very childish and I just don't feel he is worth the effort.

I would have said impatient with stupidity, and those not willing to try to learn another perspective.

 

[gnostic]

I'd prefer to know before believing anything, rather than just believing blindly without knowing if it is real or not.

For me, knowledge comes first, then belief (or disbelief).

 

[Jeremiah]

I would have said impatient with stupidity, and those not willing to try to learn another perspective.

Judge me however you want. But let's move back to the topic. If you want feel free to PM with your thoughts.

 

[rojse]

Judge me however you want. But let's move back to the topic. If you want feel free to PM with your thoughts.

I never said that about you at all; that is what I generally think of Jayhawker Soule's posts.

Apologies if you thought that I implied that you were like this because I did not intend to do so.

 

[Jeremiah]

I never said that about you at all; that is what I generally think of Jayhawker Soule's posts.

Apologies if you thought that I implied that you were like this because I did not intend to do so.

Sorry for misunderstanding you. I understand now; thanks for clarifying.

 

[McBell]

But would we not need to prove that God exists first before doing any experiments to see how God works?

long long ago when someone got sick, people thought that it was demons.
We later came to find out that it wasn't demons per say, but germs.

 

[cottage]

Depends on the claims being made using its alleged existence.

Absolutely spot on!

While it is of course absurd to speak of proving the non-existence of a thing, propositions concerning the supposed thing are a very different matter. The more we say of God the more distant the possibility becomes.