Is it moral for God to punish us?

[prometheus11]

I did and failed. I admitted that above, If you are brighter than I, which is the hope so that I might learn something, then let's have your scenario.

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DL

Sure. But first, let's see if we can take some preliminary steps.

Imagine a scenario where "the one" has a special ability unmatched by "the many" and there are outside factors at play other than that one "species."

Does that spark any plausible scenarios?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I was just proving that a creator God does not exist or that he is quite incompetent if he does exist and should not be called a God.

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DL

However, to be "incompetent" means it's about making us feel better. It's like we assume perfection is like using cheat codes to get to the last level without playing. There are lots of details to be missed if you don't let things play out.

This is not to say "it's a test" or some such nonsense. I only mean that whatever God is doing, He clearly likes taking the scenic route.

Precisely. Whatever God does, even if he punishes others for the same actions, and even if it is inconsistent with his nature, is moral.

Might makes right and no one is mightier than God.

Even a mighty building can fall by a bunch of measley termites.

My assumption is stated. I assume that the good/needs of the many outweighs the good/needs of the few.

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DL

Well, to use parenting as an example: let's say I'm poor and I have kids. I could easily skimp on my own meals to feed the kids better. However, just how much of a sacrifice am I making? I'm an adult and have less metabolic need than a child. I can skimp much more than a kid can. So, while I am being moral, it's not as sacrificial as it is made out to be.

 

[Fool]

An honest, no, would have been good.

Regards
DL

the whole is not many, it is ONE. so the whole's subjective is more important than the objective of its parts.

it is a singularity, not a plurality

ahmi yat ahmi

 

[Greatest I am]

Sure. But first, let's see if we can take some preliminary steps.

Imagine a scenario where "the one" has a special ability unmatched by "the many" and there are outside factors at play other than that one "species."

Does that spark any plausible scenarios?

Sorry. No.

Regards
DL

 

[prometheus11]

Even a mighty building can fall by a bunch of measley termites.
be.

The termite group in question is mightier.

 

[Greatest I am]

However, to be "incompetent" means it's about making us feel better. It's like we assume perfection is like using cheat codes to get to the last level without playing. There are lots of details to be missed if you don't let things play out.

This is not to say "it's a test" or some such nonsense. I only mean that whatever God is doing, He clearly likes taking the scenic route.


Even a mighty building can fall by a bunch of measley termites.


Well, to use parenting as an example: let's say I'm poor and I have kids. I could easily skimp on my own meals to feed the kids better. However, just how much of a sacrifice am I making? I'm an adult and have less metabolic need than a child. I can skimp much more than a kid can. So, while I am being moral, it's not as sacrificial as it is made out to be.

Being moral is usually beneficial in and of itself.

Seems that we do not have an argument.

Regards
DL

 

[prometheus11]

Sorry. No.

Regards
DL

Seriously?

So if "one" of a group has a specific ability that we call "good" that "the many" lack, you can't come up with a scenario why saving that one is preferable to saving the group?

Oh my.

 

[Greatest I am]

the whole is not many, it is ONE. so the whole's subjective is more important than the objective of its parts.

it is a singularity, not a plurality

ahmi yat ahmi

We have yet to determine if my tenet is truly, objective so your "whole's subjective is more important than the objective", has no relevance at present.

Regards
DL

 

[Neo Deist]

Logical fallacy.

It is not my job to refute what you have not proven.

It is yours to prove you are not just lying both to us and yourself.

Regards
DL

Actually, my job is to follow my own path and not be concerned with what you think...which is the case.

 

[paarsurrey]

G-d has set rules/processes, one who violates them, gets punished and is responsible for doing the wrong.
If one jumps from a multi-storey building and get hurt or dies; why did he jump from the building? Please
Regards

 

[Greatest I am]

G-d has set rules/processes, one who violates them, gets punished and is responsible for doing the wrong.
If one jumps from a multi-storey building and get hurt or dies; why did he jump from the building? Please
Regards

Literalists are such fools.

You ignore that his first 3 rules were/are completely self centered.

Do you think morals should be self-centered or centered on others?

Regards
DL

 

[Muffled]

Yes it is.

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes it is.

I agree.

Regards
DL

 

[ThirtyThree]

Is it moral for an all-knowing and all-powerful God to set in motion a history that he designs and then condemns others for?

First, I do not believe Yahweh is omnipotent, omniscient or omni benevolent. This supernal is as moral as Zeus was, in my opinion. He has his own opinion of what is acceptable and not acceptable regarding the creation he has/had (depending what you believe) authority over. He also regretted creating humanity, caused a flood and then regretted the flood and apologized to humanity for his mistake. An omniscient being can make mistakes and have regrets?

Therefore, it is as moral for Yahweh to punish or reward those he has/had authority over as it would be for Enlil or any other supernal in that position of authority. Consider how many humans treat animals under them? What about how many treated slaves?

 

[Fool]

We have yet to determine if my tenet is truly, objective so your "whole's subjective is more important than the objective", has no relevance at present.

Regards
DL

so something that is temporal is more important for you than that which is more egalitarian and holistic? is the illusion of forms; which are transient, more important than the action of service to self, or service to others as self?


is it more important to have cookie cutter automatons working against each other, or differentiated forms all following the same course of action?

 

[RRex]

Is it moral for God to punish us?

I'd have to say that since the creator/architect/Great Spirit/et al designed this place we are subject to his/her/its rules.

Since we are of limited power the question is somewhat pointless, but interesting.

 

[Greatest I am]

First, I do not believe Yahweh is omnipotent, omniscient or omni benevolent. This supernal is as moral as Zeus was, in my opinion. He has his own opinion of what is acceptable and not acceptable regarding the creation he has/had (depending what you believe) authority over. He also regretted creating humanity, caused a flood and then regretted the flood and apologized to humanity for his mistake. An omniscient being can make mistakes and have regrets?

Therefore, it is as moral for Yahweh to punish or reward those he has/had authority over as it would be for Enlil or any other supernal in that position of authority. Consider how many humans treat animals under them? What about how many treated slaves?

U C 20/20 and have taken the right moral position.

Regards
DL

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

G-d has set rules/processes, one who violates them, gets punished and is responsible for doing the wrong.
If one jumps from a multi-storey building and get hurt or dies; why did he jump from the building? Please
Regards

Morality is about motive (it is said God judges our hearts). Whether you jumped or were pushed, the "punishment" is still the same. What matters is how you ended up in that situation. Were you depressed? Were you fleeing a burning building? Did someone push you off? Etc, etc ...

 

[Greatest I am]

so something that is temporal is more important for you than that which is more egalitarian and holistic? is the illusion of forms; which are transient, more important than the action of service to self, or service to others as self?


is it more important to have cookie cutter automatons working against each other, or differentiated forms all following the same course of action?

Yes. Reality is more important than a fantasy. What egalitarian has to do with holistic is beyond me.

I admit that I think your first sentence was strangely put and your second even more so.

Perhaps it is because I am French. Either way, it does not prove that the moral issue we were discussing is objective as compared to subjective.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I'd have to say that since the creator/architect/Great Spirit/et al designed this place we are subject to his/her/its rules.

Since we are of limited power the question is somewhat pointless, but interesting.

I might agree if we had proof of his existence.

We do not and none of us voted foe God as judge. His morality, if as shown in scriptures, would be a deterrent to any of us to vote for him as a just judge and we would deny his right to punish us as he is morally beneath us.

Regards
DL