Is it okay to disagree with your religion?

[LuisDantas]

You mean the one where she responded to Nietzsche's post by saying, "That's a massive reach. I don't see anything wrong with my behaviour. It harms no one and feels great to me"?
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I think Hammer meant this other thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/cheating-and-getting-away-with-it.179422/

But even in this very one, there is some reason for worry.

 

[Nietzsche]

You mean the one where she responded to Nietzsche's post by saying, "That's a massive reach. I don't see anything wrong with my behaviour. It harms no one and feels great to me"?


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No, the one where she has said she's slept with 10-15 guys behind her boyfriend's back.

 

[jojom]

I think Hammer meant this other thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/cheating-and-getting-away-with-it.179422/

But even in this very one, there is some reason for worry.

After reading her posts on the other thread I'd bet good money it's all B.S., as is her opening post here. She's just having fun toying with everyone who responds. Believe she's had
10-15 guys behind her boyfriend's back if you like, but her whole sex confession stinks like rotting fish in the summer sun.

As for me, this will be my last post here. Take care.


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[Laika]

I have a really hard time keeping my biological urges down and most of the sex that I have would be considered to be extremely sinful in both context and content.

I generally prefer sex to be like that though so I don't understand why god would make me want to do such acts that god considers sinful. Is it kind of like a fractal pattern of confusing godlike understanding? I keep feeling as if I'm reaching these insanely intense sexual peaks which are in tune with how deeply I debase myself. Sometimes I even wonder if god is present through some of the things I do.

you lucky s*d. first things first is that don't try to keep your sexual urges down. go and have fun. don't listen to dreadful people who tell you you should hate yourself for having a good time. the notion that our biological impulses are sinful is a source of alot of neurosis. However, at the same time the belief that these urges are sinful can debase the experience and mean we pursue shallow sexual relationships over deeper and emotionally fulfilling ones. By that I don't mean the bordem and frustrating of monogamy, as fulfillment is about following your emotions rather than social norms AND not getting hurt. thats my onlyn qualification to be honest. sex isn't a purely physical relationship but is a psychological one as the passion involved is supposed to produce a strong bond- that doesn't mean it lasts forever but is just good while it lasts.

if you think it is a problem, I'd suggest reading Wilhelm Reich's The Sexual Revolution. this is only if a) you end up in exclusively casual relationships and are unable to have deeper relationships with people or b) you consistently end up in relationships where you or your partner get hurt. thats when I'd say your in trouble. its the book which is pretty much THE source for ideas on sexual liberation but was written specifically intended for his times. the first half of the book may give some pause for thought as it discusses alot of things quite openly. I'm bi and have had to go through alot of stuff to figure out my sexuality as I was very inhibited. I'm pretty sure that sex isn't the problem, the sense that sex is a form of debasement will be.

but what ever you do. don't listen to god. go sin and be happy. life is short.

 

[Yoshua]

I consider myself to be a good Catholic but my church says that sex before marriage is a sin. I have a really hard time keeping my biological urges down and most of the sex that I have would be considered to be extremely sinful in both context and content.

I generally prefer sex to be like that though so I don't understand why god would make me want to do such acts that god considers sinful. Is it kind of like a fractal pattern of confusing godlike understanding? I keep feeling as if I'm reaching these insanely intense sexual peaks which are in tune with how deeply I debase myself. Sometimes I even wonder if god is present through some of the things I do.

I also want to know how I can get into heaven and still maintain the lifestyle that I do. By keeping on going to confessionals?

Hi Hannah,

As evangelical which may differ from the way on how you confess, you can directly ask God to give you strength to resist things that may disturb you. You may seek a female (same sex) counselor or a Christian (mature/married) friend who is close to you or that may have accountability to you. What I mean is a partner (female) that will serve as your a reminder person who will monitor, and guide you today.

With this, you also help yourself and have the passion to change with the help of your friends and accountability partner.

Thanks

 

[hannah969]

Hi Hannah,

As evangelical which may differ from the way on how you confess, you can directly ask God to give you strength to resist things that may disturb you. You may seek a female (same sex) counselor or a Christian (mature/married) friend who is close to you or that may have accountability to you. What I mean is a partner (female) that will serve as your a reminder person who will monitor, and guide you today.

With this, you also help yourself and have the passion to change with the help of your friends and accountability partner.

Thanks

What if I don't want to change my behaviour because I like it and prefer it? It feels good and natural. Sometimes I do things that seem sinful but, at the same time, I feel like I'm transcending everything that I learned about God.

Maybe God is wrong about things. Am I going to hell?

 

[hannah969]

you lucky s*d. first things first is that don't try to keep your sexual urges down. go and have fun. don't listen to dreadful people who tell you you should hate yourself for having a good time. the notion that our biological impulses are sinful is a source of alot of neurosis. However, at the same time the belief that these urges are sinful can debase the experience and mean we pursue shallow sexual relationships over deeper and emotionally fulfilling ones. By that I don't mean the bordem and frustrating of monogamy, as fulfillment is about following your emotions rather than social norms AND not getting hurt. thats my onlyn qualification to be honest. sex isn't a purely physical relationship but is a psychological one as the passion involved is supposed to produce a strong bond- that doesn't mean it lasts forever but is just good while it lasts.

if you think it is a problem, I'd suggest reading Wilhelm Reich's The Sexual Revolution. this is only if a) you end up in exclusively casual relationships and are unable to have deeper relationships with people or b) you consistently end up in relationships where you or your partner get hurt. thats when I'd say your in trouble. its the book which is pretty much THE source for ideas on sexual liberation but was written specifically intended for his times. the first half of the book may give some pause for thought as it discusses alot of things quite openly. I'm bi and have had to go through alot of stuff to figure out my sexuality as I was very inhibited. I'm pretty sure that sex isn't the problem, the sense that sex is a form of debasement will be.

but what ever you do. don't listen to god. go sin and be happy. life is short.

Good post.

I'm starting to think religion is wrong.

 

[serp777]

I consider myself to be a good Catholic but my church says that sex before marriage is a sin. I have a really hard time keeping my biological urges down and most of the sex that I have would be considered to be extremely sinful in both context and content.

I generally prefer sex to be like that though so I don't understand why god would make me want to do such acts that god considers sinful. Is it kind of like a fractal pattern of confusing godlike understanding? I keep feeling as if I'm reaching these insanely intense sexual peaks which are in tune with how deeply I debase myself. Sometimes I even wonder if god is present through some of the things I do.

I also want to know how I can get into heaven and still maintain the lifestyle that I do. By keeping on going to confessionals?

Your church is ignorant and foolish. So according to your church this is God's plan: lets design a half evolved species of primates with incredibly strong sexual urges, which become particularly prominent around the ages of 13 and 14. Then lets make sex really amazing and fun. Now, lets reveal to the Earth that actually I made a mistake and humans should wait till marriage for no reason at all, even though marriage didn't exist for most of the history of humanity and I didn't make it clear whatsoever that premarital sex is bad (like when God says be fruitful and multiply). By the way, I know the future as im creating these humans, so I know what they are going to do before they do it. But im going to get pissed anyways, even though im perfect and saw this coming, and thus condemn the person to eternal hellfire for doing something I designed them to do and knew was going to happen. The religious belief that a perfect being cares about the dynamics of sex in a species of primates is beyond arrogant, foolish, and amusing. I can't fathom why you stay in your church.

 

[serp777]

Hi Hannah,

As evangelical which may differ from the way on how you confess, you can directly ask God to give you strength to resist things that may disturb you. You may seek a female (same sex) counselor or a Christian (mature/married) friend who is close to you or that may have accountability to you. What I mean is a partner (female) that will serve as your a reminder person who will monitor, and guide you today.

With this, you also help yourself and have the passion to change with the help of your friends and accountability partner.

Thanks

Who are you to speak for God? Why do you tell this girl as if you know God would support resisting sexual urges. You're not a prophet, you're no jesus, you don't have a personal hotline to God, so please spare us your ignorant assertions and fallacies. The arrogance that you think you speak for God is breathtaking.

 

[Yoshua]

What if I don't want to change my behaviour because I like it and prefer it? It feels good and natural. Sometimes I do things that seem sinful but, at the same time, I feel like I'm transcending everything that I learned about God.

Maybe God is wrong about things. Am I going to hell?

Hi Hannah,

People may change with God's guidance.
John 3:16
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Prov. 3:5-6
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Thanks

 

[hannah969]

Hi Hannah,

People may change with God's guidance.
John 3:16
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Prov. 3:5-6
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Thanks

Why do I necessarily have to change?

"Thanks".

 

[Yoshua]

Who are you to speak for God? Why do you tell this girl as if you know God would support resisting sexual urges. You're not a prophet, you're no jesus, you don't have a personal hotline to God, so please spare us your ignorant assertions and fallacies. The arrogance that you think you speak for God is breathtaking.

Hello Serp,

I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, the Saviour. Hotline with God is by prayer. There is no fallacies and ignorant assertions with God, for he is God, the powerful one.

Thanks

 

[Yoshua]

Why do I necessarily have to change?

"Thanks".

Hi Hannah,

If you are a believer of Christ as Roman Catholic, you believe in God. Isn't it? I believed that the church is teaching about your concern.

Thanks

 

[serp777]

Hello Serp,

I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, the Saviour. Hotline with God is by prayer. There is no fallacies and ignorant assertions with God, for he is God, the powerful one.

Thanks

A famous quote
"If you talk to God, you're religious. If God talks to you, you're schizophrenic. " Thomas Szasz

 

[hannah969]

Hi Hannah,

If you are a believer of Christ as Roman Catholic, you believe in God. Isn't it? I believed that the church is teaching about your concern.

Thanks

I am a Catholic, yes. But I severely disagree with the church's stance on sexuality. Therein lies the problem. It doesn't add up. I'm beginning to suspect that our religion is wrong.

 

[serp777]

Hi Hannah,

If you are a believer of Christ as Roman Catholic, you believe in God. Isn't it? I believed that the church is teaching about your concern.

Thanks

So what is the latest news up in heaven today? Did God make a bet with the devil that he could convince one of his followers that he was concerned with the sexual habits of a lowly primate species?

 

[serp777]

What if I don't want to change my behaviour because I like it and prefer it? It feels good and natural. Sometimes I do things that seem sinful but, at the same time, I feel like I'm transcending everything that I learned about God.

Maybe God is wrong about things. Am I going to hell?

It has numerous health benefits and as long as you're practicing safe sex you should pursue it. Don't listen to ignorance and attempts by the ignorant to convince you that they communicate directly with god.

 

[Riverwolf]

You sound really creepy and out of touch with the ways of the world as we know it.

Your posts are like something out of a text from the Dark Ages.

No, I've actually read texts from the so-called "Dark Ages". They're actually pretty coherent, by and large. Some very fine poems and stories that still resonate today.

The stuff you're seeing here is actually fairly contemporary.

 

[hannah969]

No, I've actually read texts from the so-called "Dark Ages". They're actually pretty coherent, by and large. Some very fine poems and stories that still resonate today.

The stuff you're seeing here is actually fairly contemporary.

I meant that the tone and vibe being used comes across as archaic and creepy.

 

[Yoshua]

It has numerous health benefits and as long as you're practicing safe sex you should pursue it. Don't listen to ignorance and attempts by the ignorant to convince you that they communicate directly with god.

Hi Serp,

God made sex for the husband and wife. I did not say sex is bad. This is like a knife, a knife has a proper use. If you use the knife to kill, that is not good, but if you use the knife for chopping to cook good food to serve others, then it is commendable and good.

Thanks