Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?

[Comicaze247]

It seems to me that you're trying to read into my words that which is not there.
I have already said that atheists can do whatever they wish, but what they cannot do, is, in relation to the question “Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? can give any other answer than No, or as JMorris has said, "There is no god", which in fact is saying No, because there is no god.

So can you please show, where you believe that I'm trying to completely disregard an atheist's logic based solely on the fact that they're an atheist?

The highlighted part of your post answers your question.

Ok, let's say I was an atheist that wasn't raised a Christian. If I were to just think about the concept you're presenting, and my logic led me to the conclusion that I would think it's possible for you to do something that "God" did not know you would do, then I would answer "yes." Hell, I don't believe in the Christian idea of "God," but what I'm saying is that if there was a "God", I could say either "yes" or "no." If I were to IMAGINE or CONCEDE that there was a "God," I could only agree with ONE of the concepts. Either we could make choices against his knowledge, or we can't. Either he's omniscient, or we have free will.

So how is an atheist incapable of making those choices?

 

[JMorris]

The highlighted part of your post answers your question.

Ok, let's say I was an atheist that wasn't raised a Christian. If I were to just think about the concept you're presenting, and my logic led me to the conclusion that I would think it's possible for you to do something that "God" did not know you would do, then I would answer "yes." Hell, I don't believe in the Christian idea of "God," but what I'm saying is that if there was a "God", I could say either "yes" or "no." If I were to IMAGINE or CONCEDE that there was a "God," I could only agree with ONE of the concepts. Either we could make choices against his knowledge, or we can't. Either he's omniscient, or we have free will.

So how is an atheist incapable of making those choices?

is s-word trying to prove we have no free will? funny, he cant prove his own point, so he has to derail the conversation in a totally different direction.

 

[rageoftyrael]

I think it would be more likely that an athiest would answer yes. You know, yes you can do something god doesn't already know, cause he doesn't exist. Makes sense to me. Heh, that is probably gonna be my new catchline. Makes sense to me. Heh.

Of course, you could make it not make sense to me by explaining to me why i'm wrong. So don't think i'm gonna ignore other people's opinions and thoughts just cause i make that comment. Makes sense to me.

 

[S-word]

*sigh* "no" would not be a possible answer for a person who dosent believe in god. to give either answer, you have to believe god exists.

It is those who wish to derail this thread and to turn it into a debate on free will or the omniscience of God, but I will remain with the question that this thread is based upon, and it is not whether there is a god or not, but “Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? And the question demands an answer of yes or no, by saying that there is no god, your answer to the said question, is therefore NO.

An atheist is incapable of making the choice of whether to answer yes or no to this question, for to answer yes, is to admit that there is a God

This subject as far as I am concerned is now closed.

 

[rageoftyrael]

Okay, you didn't start the thread, you haven't proven your point, and you say the subject is closed? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Comicaze247]

The question that this thread is based upon, is not whether there is a god or not, but “Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? And the question demands an answer of yes or no, by saying that there is no god, your answer to the said question, is therefore NO.

This subject as far as I am concerned is now closed.

EDIT: Oooh! And more!

 

[JMorris]

The question that this thread is based upon, is not whether there is a god or not, but “Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? And the question demands an answer of yes or no, by saying that there is no god, your answer to the said question, is therefore NO.

This subject as far as I am concerned is now closed.

lol, no its not. if a person gives the answer "NO" then that answer implies that there is a god, and you cant do anything that god dosent already know. how would an athiest give that answer when they dont believe in god?

if a person gives the answer "YES" then that implies that there is a god, but god dosent know what your going to do before you do it.

so you tell me, how can an athiest give a yes or no answer? they cant, because both answers implies god exists, but athiest dont believe that he does.

ok, NOW the subject is closed. though im not concerned because im sure you'll reply saying the EXACT same thing without giving any proof as to why your point is correct. seems to be a pattern with people like you.

 

[rageoftyrael]

hey, jmorris, what about my comment? I explained why an athiest could literally answer yes. Do you disagree with my logic?

 

[Comicaze247]

hey, jmorris, what about my comment? I explained why an athiest could literally answer yes. Do you disagree with my logic?

I agree with you. An atheist could answer the question with either yes, OR no, since, for an atheist, the question is hypothetical. Hypothetical questions have no bearing on what you really believe or how you really feel.

 

[JMorris]

I think it would be more likely that an athiest would answer yes. You know, yes you can do something god doesn't already know, cause he doesn't exist. Makes sense to me. Heh, that is probably gonna be my new catchline. Makes sense to me. Heh.

Of course, you could make it not make sense to me by explaining to me why i'm wrong. So don't think i'm gonna ignore other people's opinions and thoughts just cause i make that comment. Makes sense to me.

actually yes, it does make sense, so long as you add "because i dont believe in god" after the "yes", thats what s-word should have been saying.

 

[JMorris]

I agree with you. An atheist could answer the question with either yes, OR no, since, for an atheist, the question is hypothetical. Hypothetical questions have no bearing on what you really believe or how you really feel.

how could you say "no" if you dont believe in god?

 

[rageoftyrael]

it's hypothetical, which means if you just follow the rules of the question, you can come to a conclusion, without believing in god. Of course, he was kind of vague, so i explained what my answer would be, based on the assumption that god existed. and also, if god existed my answer would be different based on whether he had omniscience or not. if he does have omniscience, the no, i can't do anything he doesn't already know, if he doesn't have omniscience, then sure, if he ain't paying attention, i can do something he didn't already know, cause he doesn't already know anything.

 

[JMorris]

I agree with you. An atheist could answer the question with either yes, OR no, since, for an atheist, the question is hypothetical. Hypothetical questions have no bearing on what you really believe or how you really feel.

hypothetically yea, you could say "no". but i dont really get the point of doing that.

 

[JMorris]

it's hypothetical, which means if you just follow the rules of the question, you can come to a conclusion, without believing in god. Of course, he was kind of vague, so i explained what my answer would be, based on the assumption that god existed. and also, if god existed my answer would be different based on whether he had omniscience or not. if he does have omniscience, the no, i can't do anything he doesn't already know, if he doesn't have omniscience, then sure, if he ain't paying attention, i can do something he didn't already know, cause he doesn't already know anything.

ok, that makes sense, i see the point now.

 

[Comicaze247]

hypothetically yea, you could say "no". but i dont really get the point of doing that.

You could say "well, if there is a "God" and he's supposedly omniscient, then no, you couldn't do anything he didn't know you would do."

 

[JMorris]

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Religion: Christian Serpent Seed
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Abrahamic only: Why do you feel free will is denied by some people?
Title says it all. Was wondering what other Christians, Jews, Islamics , LDS, etc thought about some of the free will post in religious debates. It is arguable one of the most debated topics here on the forums. So why do you feel that anti-free will people rage so defiantly against free will?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/same-faith-debates/80056-abrahamic-only-why-do-you-feel.html
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Im posting this here because im not sure if posting it there would get me in trouble since it says "Abrahamic only"

this annoys me

he claims we are "anti-free will", this is the main reason im posting this, because i need to adress this. how does debating the relation omniscience has with free will make you "anti-free will"? i dont think any of us are "anti-free will". i think we would all rather believe in free will. but the paradox between omniscience and free will exists, the 2 cannot co-exist. how does pointing out the fact make you "anti-free will"? of course emiliano then makes an equally WRONG reply. you can see that one yourself.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Matey, atheists can do what ever they want, except give any other answer to the question, “Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?" other than NO; for as I have already said, an atheist doesn't believe that there is a god who knows anythig at all, let alone knows what you will do before you have done it.

Good point. So, as a theist, what would your answer be to the question in the OP?

 

[JMorris]

i dont expect either of them to come here to answer this, so if it is ok to reply in that thread, will someone please tell me?

 

[Beaudreaux]

*edit* i take that back, i misunderstood what you were saying. what your saying actually dosent make any sense. a simple "no" to the question means its impossible to do anything god didnt already know you would do. so actually an athiest wouldnt be able to answer that at all. because the question dosent have any meaning to an athiest, as we dont believe in god, there is no answer to give other than "there is no god".

Actually, the anser to the question "Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? " for an atheist would be "Yes, because there is no God."

BTW, S-word, what would your answer to the question be?

 

[JMorris]

Actually, the anser to the question "Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do? " for an atheist would be "Yes, because there is no God."

BTW, Sword, what would your answer to the question be?

actually yes, it does make sense, so long as you add "because i dont believe in god" after the "yes", thats what s-word should have been saying.

you must of missed this post, i got it.