Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?

[Left Coast]

A misleading claim...

Christianity predates the compilation which includes new testament cannon...the Old Testament writings were mostly already agreed upon before Christ.

Given that christ came in fulfillment of old testament writings, this claim isn't accurate.

Christ fulfilling prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures is irrelevant to the point that Christianity predates the writing of the New Testament, much less its canonization. And of course, Judaism existed before the Hebrew Bible was written.

I'd suggest that whoever thinks this way doesn't understand the old testament sanctuary service at all.

One has nothing to do with the other, as far as I can tell. Whoever thinks that the New Testament produced the Church, rather than the Church producing the New Testament, doesn't understand much Church history (much less earlier Jewish history).

What the O.P will find is that its Theistic Evolutionists within the Christian movement who deny bible inerancy. Creationists will usually take the view its the inerrant inspired word of our Almighty Creator.

That isn't universally true. A text not being literal is not the same as it containing errors. Unless you think Jesus was telling you he's a plant when he said he is the vine?

 

[blü 2]

Messiah and Christ actually refer to an "Annointed One".

Expectations in Jewish, Christian and Muslim faiths have been built on man's interpretation and expectations.

I see the Bible shows a progression of Messiah's, which does include Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

But my point was that Jesus didn't fit the job description of a Jewish messiah, being neither a military, civil or religious leader of the Jews nor anointed by the Jewish priesthood. Therefore he was not someone to whom messianic 'prophecies' in the Tanakh could be attached. As you say, that never stopped others from declaring their religious leader divine, but my point was that the Tanakh does not 'predict' Jesus.

I see the Messiah (Annointed One) that the Jews and Christians are expecting in this age, was fulfilled in the Messages of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

A perusal of what they offered shows how this is so, in never before given detail. As "Annointed Ones, Messiahs, Christs", what they have given us to consider is the Word given by God.

Thus, when one reads the Tanakh, the New Testament and the Quran in conjunction with the Writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, all the pieces to complete the full puzzle are found.

Well, if that works for you, fine. I don't think it'll work to answer the questions of this thread so far as they relate to the Tanakh.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The letters of knowledge ... I will presume you're speaking of the letters or testimonies of the messengers. My question would be, which messengers are being counted as a letter to us. If only two have been sent and 25 still to come, then what of the other prophets and sages, and teachers who have been counted already as messengers in our world?

That is not the meaning I see that passage is offering, I see it is material and spiritual knowledge.

A couple of graphs reflect my understanding.

From the 1800's, all graphs start rising dramatically. 2 letters before, 25 letters after and we are still building knowledge from all the knowledge that is available.

Regards Tony

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Christ fulfilling prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures is irrelevant to the point that Christianity predates the writing of the New Testament, much less its canonization. And of course, Judaism existed before the Hebrew Bible was written.

1. you know Jews are Hebrew right? From your statement here it appears you dont realise that you are providing evidence that refutes your own claim there!

It is absurd to use as evidence the statement Christianity predates the writing of the New Testament...thats about as stupid as the statement that the Koran predates Muhammad. Clealy the indiividual who inspires the philosophy (the writings) must come first!

2. It appears that your knowledge of Judaism and the Hebrews doesnt recognise that the entire purpose of the Old Testament was to lead the Jews in fulfillment of the prophecy given to Abraham and Isaac and that this prophecy also fulfills the one given to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden in Genesis chapter 3

14So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,

cursed are you above all livestock

and every beast of the field!

On your belly will you go,

and dust you will eat,

all the days of your life.

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,

and between your seed and her seed.

He will crush your head,

and you will strike his heel.c”


Now you can play games trying to separate the heritage of Judaism from Christianity all you like...good luck finding religious denominations who support such a view.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well, if that works for you, fine. I don't think it'll work to answer the questions of this thread so far as they relate to the Tanakh.

I see it is very valid.

Both the Tanakh and the New Testament have foretold the Messages of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, the Tanakh includes Jesus.

So the error is only in our understanding, not in the Words of God.

Regards Tony

 

[blü 2]

I see it is very valid.

Both the Tanakh and the New Testament have foretold the Messages of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, the Tanakh includes Jesus.

So the error is only in our understanding, not in the Words of God.

Regards Tony

Good luck with that. I'd take it to be the product of mixing Abrahamic stories and traditions with various cultures. Where, for instance is the Eastern approach, found in Hindu religion and Buddhism?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Good luck with that. I'd take it to be the product of mixing Abrahamic stories and traditions with various cultures. Where, for instance is the Eastern approach, found in Hindu religion and Buddhism?

I see they also tie in with the core teachings based on personal conduct and our integration with other members of the human family.
Logically God guided all the Nations in an era that did not have any or timely cross Nation communication, or even internal continent cross nation communication. So a Messenger was given that was not destined to become global, the people not yet capable of global acceptance.

Look at today, people still not ready to accept a global community, to many selfish people not willing to let go of their lavish lifestyle for the good of all humanity.

An example is that "Krishna's teachings also emphasize the unity of all beings, regardless of their caste, creed, or background. He advocates for a world where diversity is celebrated and divisions are transcended".

The Bible, like all holy books tell us of a day when humanity will think and act globally. The scriptures also advise us that a Messenger will come to guide us, and show us all "Truth". (Generalisation of interpretation)

John 10:16 is an example "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd".

I see this as the Hindu, the Zoroastrians, the Buddhists, the Abrahamics, the Muslims, all the less known faiths and traditiins and the Baha'i all becoming one in a unity in our diversity. All embracing the Oneness of humanity. All this has started, ever since the League of Nations started the process was set, there will be 2 steps forward and one back, but we will make it.

Regards Tony

 

[blü 2]

I see they also tie in with the core teachings based on personal conduct and our integration with other members of the human family.
Logically God guided all the Nations in an era that did not have any or timely cross Nation communication, or even internal continent cross nation communication. So a Messenger was given that was not destined to become global, the people not yet capable of global acceptance.

Look at today, people still not ready to accept a global community, to many selfish people not willing to let go of their lavish lifestyle for the good of all humanity.

An example is that "Krishna's teachings also emphasize the unity of all beings, regardless of their caste, creed, or background. He advocates for a world where diversity is celebrated and divisions are transcended".

The Bible, like all holy books tell us of a day when humanity will think and act globally. The scriptures also advise us that a Messenger will come to guide us, and show us all "Truth". (Generalisation of interpretation)

John 10:16 is an example "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd".

I see this as the Hindu, the Zoroastrians, the Buddhists, the Abrahamics, the Muslims, all the less known faiths and traditiins and the Baha'i all becoming one in a unity in our diversity. All embracing the Oneness of humanity. All this has started, ever since the League of Nations started the process was set, there will be 2 steps forward and one back, but we will make it.

Regards Tony

I think the point may be that you don't need gods to be a good human being who treats others with decency respect and inclusion and avoids doing harm. If religion helps people do that ─ and some versions don't ─ then who am I to argue?

 

[blü 2]

1. you know Jews are Hebrew right? From your statement here it appears you dont realise that you are providing evidence that refutes your own claim there!

It is absurd to use as evidence the statement Christianity predates the writing of the New Testament...thats about as stupid as the statement that the Koran predates Muhammad. Clealy the indiividual who inspires the philosophy (the writings) must come first!

2. It appears that your knowledge of Judaism and the Hebrews doesnt recognise that the entire purpose of the Old Testament was to lead the Jews in fulfillment of the prophecy given to Abraham and Isaac and that this prophecy also fulfills the one given to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden in Genesis chapter 3

14So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,

cursed are you above all livestock

and every beast of the field!

On your belly will you go,

and dust you will eat,

all the days of your life.

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,

and between your seed and her seed.

He will crush your head,

and you will strike his heel.c”


Now you can play games trying to separate the heritage of Judaism from Christianity all you like...good luck finding religious denominations who support such a view.

If you read the Garden story without its Christian makeover and just stay with the actual words and their import, you'll find that there's no mention of sin, no mention of a fall, no mention of death entering the world ─ and that the snake spoke only the truth, It was God who ─ ahm ─ misspoke, and nor Adam nor Eve died the day they ate the fruit. God was angry with the snake because the snake helped Adam and Eve attain knowledge of good and evil, which [he] saw as a step towards their becoming [his] rivals (a point [he] makes out loud at Genesis 3:22-23), not because of any noble reason. On any objective view Eve in particular and the snake in general are heroes of mankind, even though the tale is only legend.

 

[Left Coast]

1. you know Jews are Hebrew right? From your statement here it appears you dont realise that you are providing evidence that refutes your own claim there!

It is absurd to use as evidence the statement Christianity predates the writing of the New Testament...thats about as stupid as the statement that the Koran predates Muhammad. Clealy the indiividual who inspires the philosophy (the writings) must come first!

If my point was so "stupid," ie obvious, then you shouldn't need to argue with me. Yet here you are...?

2. It appears that your knowledge of Judaism and the Hebrews doesnt recognise that the entire purpose of the Old Testament was to lead the Jews in fulfillment of the prophecy given to Abraham and Isaac and that this prophecy also fulfills the one given to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden in Genesis chapter 3

14So the LORD God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,

cursed are you above all livestock

and every beast of the field!

On your belly will you go,

and dust you will eat,

all the days of your life.

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,

and between your seed and her seed.

He will crush your head,

and you will strike his heel.c”


Now you can play games trying to separate the heritage of Judaism from Christianity all you like...good luck finding religious denominations who support such a view.

This has nothing to do with anything I've actually said. No one is trying to "separate the heritage of Judaism from Christianity." My point was simply that the Christian canon we today call "the Bible" in English came from the Church (and from the Jewish believers before them). The religion produced the Scriptures, not the other way around. If that's obvious, you should have nothing to say. We shall see.

 

[1213]

try google

I think Google is evil. I don't want to try that. But, I doubt you could find anything meaningful to support the claim that KJV has errors. One example would be enough in this case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think Google is evil. I don't want to try that. But, I doubt you could find anything meaningful to support the claim that KJV has errors. One example would be enough in this case.

The problem is that you will reject any clear errors. How are you supposed to check on the errors given to you?

 

[cataway]

I think Google is evil. I don't want to try that. But, I doubt you could find anything meaningful to support the claim that KJV has errors. One example would be enough in this case.

do you like acts 5:30 ? kjv

 

[Ebionite]

and nor Adam nor Eve died the day they ate the fruit.

In the book of Genesis a day can be used to describe other extents of time, eg Genesis 2:4.

 

[blü 2]

In the book of Genesis a day can be used to describe other extents of time, eg Genesis 2:4.

That of course is different to the story in Genesis 1 (and I recall reading that its style points to a different author). However, it seems to me that in the author's mind God required simply a 'day' in its ordinary sense (ie without regard to the question, what is a day? when the sun doesn't yet exist.)

 

[Ebionite]

That of course is different to the story in Genesis 1 (and I recall reading that its style points to a different author). However, it seems to me that in the author's mind God required simply a 'day' in its ordinary sense (ie without regard to the question, what is a day? when the sun doesn't yet exist.)

Genesis 1 doesn't talk about the sun, it talks about a great light. When there's heavy cloud cover can't see the sun, but you can still tell if it's day or night.

 

[blü 2]

Genesis 1 doesn't talk about the sun, it talks about a great light. When there's heavy cloud cover can't see the sun, but you can still tell if it's day or night.

But the "great light" (which must be the sun) doesn't exist till Day 4, the day after the creation of the plants.

 

[Ebionite]

But the "great light" (which must be the sun) doesn't exist till Day 4, the day after the creation of the plants.

No, the great light is the sun only when the sun can be seen through the clouds.

 

[blü 2]

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No, the great light is the sun only when the sun can be seen through the clouds.

In the Genesis 1 story the earth exists at the start and you can have salad on Day 3 but no need for sunglasses till Day 4.

 

[Ebionite]

In the Genesis 1 story the earth exists at the start and you can have salad on Day 3 but no need for sunglasses till Day 4.

Yes, inclement weather can be like that.