Is it sin?

[Sheldon]

For non-believers there is no ultimate authority beyond the desires of the human self.

No indeed, most atheists seem to be able to refrain from harming others without the saccharine promise of heaven, or the equally vapid threat of Hell.

 

[kjw47]

How can a bare unevidenced claim be evidence for another bare unevidenced claim?



Utter gibberish sorry, and if you want to deny accepted scientific theories I suggest you get yourself published, and when your work is peer reviewed and you get a Nobel prize in physics for falsifying an accepted scientific theory, then I will pay due deference. In the meantime, given your disjointed rant about the big bang is risible nonsense, I'm going to point, and laugh at it.

There is no objective evidence for intelligent design, and even if there were no scientific evidence for the origins of the universe, and species evolution were not an objective scientific fact, creationism would remain an unevidenced myth.

Lets see. scientists claim a big bang occurred. These same scientists have allowed crap to be given to mortals to quickly for the allmighty $$$$, in their darkness so now--The air is polluted, the water is polluted, the land is polluted, our food is polluted. A huge hole in the ozone causing global warming--all things done to harm Gods creation in their darkness. Yet you believe men like that. How sad for you.

 

[Colt]

Love can be observed on. MRI. And it is tested often. There your strawman fails

So you say your god is love? Then how come the hatred of those who don't believe your god, seems to me your god belief/love is selective.

Atheism is not anti god, so once again i learn something from you, that you don't understand atheism. Atheism is disbelief that a god or gods exist... Provide falsifiable evidence instead of straw men and you will wipe out atheism in a single stroke.

Nope. I am proof that i see no evidence that a god exists. But you are welcome to your dreams

Faith in God can be observed, your strawman failed.

Being stubborn and rebellious can be observed as well.

 

[kjw47]

Wow I've been using porn wrong all these years, who knew?



Yes it is something of dry dull read, I agree.




Who cares, Harry Potter outlines the rules of Quidditch, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if someone broke imaginary rules.



Yeah I don't believe you, and since masturbation harms no one, and nether does pornography ostensibly, the objections are subjective. If you don't like porn, don't use it, if you think masturbation is wrong don't do it, but others don't share these beliefs, and I am one such person which is why I am minded to comment.

You are in a large group--God calls them enemies-the wicked.= 99% on thisearth.

 

[Sheldon]

No hate fostered--false reasoning suggests that.

Ad hominem, it always seems theists resort to this in the end. try demonstrating some evidence for your claim rather than attacking those who point out unevidenced opinion or belief is not evidence.

Those that know God love all brothers and sisters that make up one human family,

The history of Christianity demonstrate ample evidence to refute this. Even on here we have witnessed Christians attack their brothers and sisters, just because they born gay, or because they don't share your beliefs in a deity.

yet wisdom teaches to not participate with them in their dark things that rule their hearts.

And you reasoned a forum for general religious debate was the place to avoid such exchanges, really? I sense you're in for a disappointment.

 

[Sheldon]

Faith in God can be observed, your strawman failed.

Being stubborn and rebellious can be observed as well.

What has not been observed is a demonstration of any objective evidence for any deity.

 

[Colt]

No indeed, most atheists seem to be able to refrain from harming others without the saccharine promise of heaven, or the equally vapid threat of Hell.

Morality is innate to personality because all personality comes from a moral God. Atheists just plagiarize their morality by denying God as the source and claiming it as their own.

All religions serve to preserve the "values" of their respective cultures. Atheism doesn't preserve anything other than the negative spirit of the village heckler.

 

[Sheldon]

You are in a large group--God calls them enemies-the wicked.= 99% on thisearth.

News flash!

I don't believe in any deity or deities, and since this fact isn't sinking in, I find claims made in the complete absence of any objective evidence meaningless. To quote the late author and polemicist, Christopher Hitchens's...

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

 

[Colt]

What has not been observed is a demonstration of any objective evidence for any deity.

Even though God is the greatest objective reality, we make contact with God in spirit which is a subjective phenomenon. If you put as much effort in finding God within yourself as you do in heckling others, then you just might find God.

 

[Sheldon]

Morality is innate to personality because all personality comes from a moral God.

That is just another unevidenced opinion, and all animals that have evolved to live in societal groups have been evidenced to display morality. One could reasonably argue it is an essential trait in any animal that lives in societal groups, as one can easily imagine how little cohesion such societal groups would have, if none of the animals in it could recognise which behaviours were accepted as right or wrong by that group.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes false religions participate in the wars of hatred. The one religion Jesus is with does not. 99% of all religion on earth is false. Referred to as the whore of babylon in the bible.

All religions, denial does not make fact go away.

And of course love for that 99% means what?

 

[Sheldon]

Even though God is the greatest objective reality, we make contact with God in spirit which is a subjective phenomenon.

We? Firstly you cannot speak for others if all you are citing is a subjective personal experience, and of course this has not been observed here, that is a given, secondly this is quite obviously not objective evidence, by definition.

If you put as much effort in finding God withing yourself as you do in heckling others, then you just might find God.

That's just another unevidenced opinion, and I'm not heckling anyone, this is a debate forum. It also reads like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me, which yet again simply makes the unevidenced assumption there are any deities or deity to find.

 

[ChristineM]

Faith in God can be observed, your strawman failed.

Being stubborn and rebellious can be observed as well.

Chuckle, i knew you would go there.. an MRI of god

Yes is seems religious can be very stubborn, despite the evidence. But heyho, thats faith for ya.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We? Firstly you cannot speak for others if all you are citing is a subjective personal experience, and of course this has not been observed here, that is a given, secondly this is quite obviously not objective evidence, by definition.



That's just another unevidenced opinion, and I'm not heckling anyone, this is a debate forum. It also reads like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me, which yet again simply makes the unevidenced assumption there are any deities or deity to find.

Still waiting of evidence that claims without evidence are meaningless. What is your objective evidence of the fact, that they are meaningless? To me that is a personal subjective experience, but apparently you speak for other, when you claim they are meaningless.
So evidence, please. Or I will consider it just another unevidenced opinion.

And since this is a debate forum, and you made a claim, please give evidence.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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Chuckle, i knew you would go there.. an MRI of god

Yes is seems religious can be very stubborn, despite the evidence. But heyho, thats faith for ya.
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You are aware that is so for all humans for subjective cognition and feelings. It also applies to us two, when we make claims and offer opinions.
So your "But heyho, thats faith for ya." will show up on a MRI. That is subjectivity for us all. Not just religious people.

 

[Colt]

We? Firstly you cannot speak for others if all you are citing is a subjective personal experience, and of course this has not been observed here, that is a given, secondly this is quite obviously not objective evidence, by definition.



That's just another unevidenced opinion, and I'm not heckling anyone, this is a debate forum. It also reads like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me, which yet again simply makes the unevidenced assumption there are any deities or deity to find.

I've told you several times that God is something that >you< need to find within, but you keep ignoring that because you don't really want to find God. That would ding your ego-self-identity as an Atheist. It's easier to keep demanding that others prove something to you which we have conceded is not really possible. "Oh, but innocent Sheldon is just here to debate with the spirit of truly wanting to understand". No! Thats BS!

 

[Colt]

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Chuckle, i knew you would go there.. an MRI of god

Yes is seems religious can be very stubborn, despite the evidence. But heyho, thats faith for ya.
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Fair enough, what would "undeniable proof" of God even look like to you?

 

[ChristineM]

Fair enough, what would "undeniable proof" of God even look like to you?

Don't ask me, i am just a lowly atheist but a god would know, if a god didn't know then he/she/it would not be worthy to call a god

 

[Sheldon]

I've told you several times that God is something that >you< need to find within, but you keep ignoring that because you don't really want to find God.

I don't ignore it, I have told you each and every time that this is a meaningless unevidenced assertion. It is also a no true Scotsman fallacy.

That would ding your ego-self-identity as an Atheist.

The fact you have to resort yet again to ad hominem fallacy, speaks for itself. I am an atheist as I have never seen anyone able to demonstrate anything beyond bare unevidenced assertions for any deity. I treat such claims as I would any other, I don't use bias to favour one type of claim over another, so god claims are judged on their merits, just as if they were any other type of claim, and I simply don't accept the unevidenced idea that this belief should be given a pass on objective evidence, or that I should presuppose a deity exists, then arbitrarily pick one from thousands, and then spend years navel gazing to arrive in a suggestible state at subjective and unevidenced conclusion.

It's easier to keep demanding that others prove something to you which we have conceded is not really possible.

I never ask for proof, as the proofs are for logic and mathematics, and I have never claimed it is impossible, so another straw man fallacy. I treat all claims with an open mind, and so without bias, why would I treat god claims any differently to any other claims?

"Oh, but innocent Sheldon is just here to debate with the spirit of truly wanting to understand". No! Thats BS!

Ad hominem again, if you think petty insult reflects on me, and not on you, then you are sadly mistaken. If you don't like having your claims subjected to critical scrutiny, or you find scepticism expressed about your unevidenced claims upsetting then don't offer them for debate. Endlessly attacking me is not going to change anything, and if you think this is the first time I have been subjected to insult, then again you are very wrong. It beads up and rolls off, since it must be obvious what resorting to petty insults in a debate infers.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

A god would know, if a god didn't know then he/she/it would not be worthy to call a god

That is so far as I can tell subjective in you and would show up on a MRI of your brain. But off course you could have evidence? Do you got evidence?