Is It Time To Consider The Commandment "Be Fruitful And Multiply" Fulfilled?

[CynthiaCypher]

You could have mentioned that, but you CHOSE to specifically mention Battlestar Galactica as your source. That's your own fault.

I like to cheat. I have a wealth of material from biologists, rocket and evironmental scientists who are of the opinion that Hawkings and others of his opinion are not being realistic

 

[Photonic]

I like to cheat. I have a wealth of material from biologists, rocket and evironmental scientists who are of the opinion that Hawkings and others of his opinion are not being realistic

Yea, I have a wealth of materials from physicists and people that said Einstein was an idiot during his time.

Get to your point.

 

[not nom]

So science fiction is now reality to you?

Funny, it wasn't earlier. Do continue to provide me with inconsistencies.

so Falvlun is Cynthia Cypher to you?

you said she used battle star galactice as source.. for what? and in what post? you're seeing things. you make **** up as you go along it seems.

some stuff that is in science fiction comes from science. so using that as an illustration isn't totally wrong. it's just not an argument unless backed by science.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yea, I have a wealth of materials from physicists and people that said Einstein was an idiot during his time.

Get to your point.

Just read the article.

 

[Photonic]

so Falvlun is Cynthia Cypher to you?

you said she used battle star galactice as source.. for what? and in what post? you're seeing things. you make **** up as you go along it seems.

some stuff that is in science fiction comes from science. so using that as an illustration isn't totally wrong. it's just not an argument unless backed by science.

Yea, I'm not doing this, now you are just making stuff up on the spot. Bye.

 

[not nom]

Yea, I have a wealth of materials from physicists and people that said Einstein was an idiot during his time.

Get to your point.

what are you waiting for? supposedly going off-planet in response to our situation was just a joke, and other than bluffing, you can't be arsed to argue. so, uhm? I'm not dense, you're transparent.

 

[not nom]

Yea, I'm not doing this, now you are just making stuff up on the spot. Bye.

actually, I looked through the whole thread, twice. though I just searched for "battle", maybe I missed it.

it's not like you can actually say where she used battlestar galactica as an argument, and for what exactly? so how am I making stuff up? that's just you claiming that without any argument whatsoever, lol.

 

[Magic Man]

because the problem of overpopulation is not a problem of space, but resources

It's both.

I guess I'll have to wait for an answer.

 

[not nom]

It's both.

but we have plenty of unsettled space on earth. the oceans are alone are bigger than several moon surfaces. if we settled all of that, our ecosystem would of course suffer, to put it very mildly.... but before the "space" elsewhere means anything, it would have to be at least some kind of ecosystem, not just an extension of the ecosystem on earth that gets supplied from here. not to mention the resources to build and maintain all that. so yes, it's a resource and ecological problem, not a space problem. only life and resources make space living space.

 

[Magic Man]

but we have plenty of unsettled space on earth. the oceans are alone are bigger than several moon surfaces. if we settled all of that, our ecosystem would of course suffer, to put it very mildly.... but before the "space" elsewhere means anything, it would have to be at least some kind of ecosystem, not just an extension of the ecosystem on earth that gets supplied from here.

not to mention the resources to build and maintain all that. so yes, it's a resource and ecological problem, not a space problem. only life and resources make space living space.

It's not just about unsettled space. It's about having room for people and the things they're dependent on. Look, we need to fix some things, sure, but it would also help to keep working towards going elsewhere.

 

[not nom]

of course, "resources", and all that stuff, means that fixing that implies having to face humans, who don't want that fixed. that's why we talk about tackling passive space as if that would help with the problems we got on our hands... and that's also why I don't ever expect hawking to say anything worthwile (when it comes to "humanity", and not theoretical astrophysics), and never get disappointed. he doesn't seem critical at all.

 

[not nom]

It's not just about unsettled space. It's about having room for people and the things they're dependent on.

unsettled space IS that. if you can terraform the moon, why not terraform the sahara, as well? going elsewhere is like "this is too complicated, maybe a change of scenery will help". it won't.

 

[not nom]

it would also help to keep working towards going elsewhere.

nobody ever suggested otherwise... to stop space research or anything. it just wouldn't help with this. get that out of your head for good :/

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

unsettled space IS that. if you can terraform the moon, why not terraform the sahara, as well? going elsewhere is like "this is too complicated, maybe a change of scenery will help". it won't.

Teraforming here on Earth doesn't work. You would damage the existing ecosystem. Creating a closed system would work. Rather than build a domed city on the moon or Mars, build one in the Sahara or any number of un-inhabitable locations on the earth. This is much more doable than looking to space for the answers to the problem. We will go to space but not to solve population problems.

 

[not nom]

Creating a closed system would work.

we can try that here, and we are trying, and so far it does NOT work.

:cover:

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

we can try that here, and we are trying, and so far it does NOT work.

:cover:

Really, what are we trying? I've seen no efforts at large scale closed system testing, just some small bio-dome research. I'm talking about an enclosed city just like we would build on the Moon, something we are years away from technology wise but still much closer to than colonising space.

 

[not nom]

Really, what are we trying? I've seen no efforts at large scale closed system testing, just some small bio-dome research.

so? do you suggest building something we never tested out on the moon, in the hope it works? good luck getting that financed. no, we'd have to get it working here first anyway. and it's not like we need the moon for that because we don't have the space here... we just don't have the funding/interest, because humanity is farting around. which brings us back to the topic

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

so? do you suggest building something we never tested out on the moon, in the hope it works? good luck getting that financed. no, we'd have to get it working here first anyway. and it's not like we need the moon for that because we don't have the space here... we just don't have the funding/interest, because humanity is farting around. which brings us back to the topic

I have never disagreed with you on your points, but that doesn't change the fact that a closed system city built in the desert could relieve some population stress. Just because we are not willing as a people to explore that option currently doesn't mean it is viable or that it wont become the solution once we are done farting around as you say.

What exactly is it you want people to admit here? That we aren't paying proper attention to the issue? Admitted. That space isn't the solution? Admitted. Anything else?

 

[not nom]

I have never disagreed with you on your points, but that doesn't change the fact that a closed system city built in the desert could relieve some population stress. Just because we are not willing as a people to explore that option currently doesn't mean it is viable or that it wont become the solution once we are done farting around as you say.

okay, point taken, it's not like I disagree with that, either.

What exactly is it you want people to admit here? That we aren't paying proper attention to the issue? Admitted. That space isn't the solution? Admitted. Anything else?

tell me I'm pretty seriously though, no the above two are quite enough.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Building several closed system green cities might solve some problems but there are still going to be some issues. Who gets to live in them? And what's going to happen to the people who live outside them?