Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[J Bryson]

i wasnt accusing you of geting steamed up, and in a scence, yes it does require an open mind. What I was trying to get at is, you can be completely faithful and confident in your religion/belief and still be nice, kind and compassionate.

I totally agree with this statement. I simply wish that the kind and compassionate people would be as loud as the intolerant ones. It's the latter who have been getting most of the press lately.

 

[shortfade2]

mmhmm. I wish that Christians could be completely grounded in there faith, AND be praying, AND read the bible, AND be kind and consilliatory (spelling?), but most are not, and I am included in being in this list of things. We are all imperfect.

 

[Autodidact]

do not group christains together under a stereotype. It is the same as saying that all homosexuals are whores, and all black people are stupid.

Oh no, Carico is a very unusual Christian, a devout, consistent, Bible believing Christian. Most Christians reject most of the Bible. If they did not, they would be in the same category as Carico. That's my point.

 

[Autodidact]

i wasnt accusing you of geting steamed up, and in a scence, yes it does require an open mind. What I was trying to get at is, you can be completely faithful and confident in your religion/belief and still be nice, kind and compassionate.

Not every belief. For example, if you believe as Carico does, it requires you to preach, lie, and behave discourteously.

 

[Francis]

Hmm. I don't obey the Bible word for word. I obey the spirit; or, in other words, I interpret it for today's world, and i think that's what most other people do as well.

Peace!

 

[Autodidact]

Hmm. I don't obey the Bible word for word. I obey the spirit; or, in other words, I interpret it for today's world, and i think that's what most other people do as well.

Peace!

And hence, you're able to obey forum rules and post here.

Out of curiosity, though, what is the spirit, and how did you decide?

 

[keithnurse]

San Fransisco allowed it, and now they have earthquakes and almost no parking!

Hurricane Katrina nearly destroyed New Orleans, I say nearly because the city is being rebuilt. Do you know which part of N.O. received some of the least amount of damage? Answer: The French Quarter, the gayest part of N.O. Using the reasoning that God blesses and spares from harm the cities it approves of and sends natural disasters to punish those it doesn't approve of, wouldn't The French Quarter being spared Katrinas worst damage be a sign of Gods approval of the gay community? in N.O.?

 

[twinmama]

What about us? The sin-filled Scandinavia? Why doesn't Higher Powers sent horrible things here - after all gays roam around here under the protection of constitutions...

Denmark, Norway,Sweden and Finland... why are these countries still standing? We(Finland)have president who used to be the lawyer for gayrights organisation and she is very popular too. Oh and let's not forget Iceland, their president is openly gay!!!

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Feel free to list the host of serious ills to society that would arise due to homosexuality not being a choice.

Not now, another time.

While you are at it you might explain how you went about choosing to be heterosexual.

It's normal to be. The only thing there might be to give some merit to the act of homosexuality is pleasure and whatever else you may wanna add to flavor the pot.

Then you can explain intersex from a religious standpoint.

I won't hold my breath.

Religious standpoint? if you believe there is a God then i may attempt, but i don't think that would be necessary.

 

[gnomon]

Not now, another time.

It's normal to be. The only thing there might be to give some merit to the act of homosexuality is pleasure and whatever else you may wanna add to flavor the pot.
Religious standpoint? if you believe there is a God then i may attempt, but i don't think that would be necessary.

If you cannot answer the questions then do not even bother responding. As it stands now shortfade2 gave one of the best responses in this thread by flat out stating that they didn't know.

I would suggest you take that route for it would present greater wisdom.

 

[Storm]

We've strayed rather far from the topic of the OP. So, to get us back on track....

Whether or not homosexuality is a sin is rather irrelevant. I do believe it is, at minimum, irresponsible to preach about it, for the following reasons:

1) It encourages bigotry, and in extreme cases, hate crimes.

2) It has a devastating affect on the lives and mental health of sexual minorities, especially young ones trying to come to grips with their orientation, many of whom are driven to suicide.

I'm sure I can think of a few more, but that's enough for now.

 

[Storm]

Not now, another time.

What a cheap cop out.

It's normal to be. The only thing there might be to give some merit to the act of homosexuality is pleasure and whatever else you may wanna add to flavor the pot.

It's normal to be right-handed, too. But if you're a southpaw, the abnormal becomes normal. Same with sexual minorities.

Religious standpoint? if you believe there is a God then i may attempt, but i don't think that would be necessary.

Whether he believes in a God is irrelevant to your perspective.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

If you cannot answer the questions then do not even bother responding. As it stands now shortfade2 gave one of the best responses in this thread by flat out stating that they didn't know.

I would suggest you take that route for it would present greater wisdom.

The questions can be answered, i just find wisdom not doing so.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

What a cheap cop out.


It's normal to be right-handed, too. But if you're a southpaw, the abnormal becomes normal. Same with sexual minorities.

To be left-handed or the other way around isn't something one can simply decide to choose. Homosexuality is the way of life one would simply choose to live, so it isn't the same at all storm.

Whether he believes in a God is irrelevant to your perspective.

If you don't believe in God or religion, it is pointless discussing anything from that perspective.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

We've strayed rather far from the topic of the OP. So, to get us back on track....

Whether or not homosexuality is a sin is rather irrelevant. I do believe it is, at minimum, irresponsible to preach about it, for the following reasons:

1) It encourages bigotry, and in extreme cases, hate crimes.

2) It has a devastating affect on the lives and mental health of sexual minorities, especially young ones trying to come to grips with their orientation, many of whom are driven to suicide.

I'm sure I can think of a few more, but that's enough for now.

We should not want neither encourage young people to become homosexuals, this is like making homosexuality a good way of life. What i have come to accept throughout this discussion on the topic is that if one finds themselves living such a life and honestly wants to be that way then you may do so (not to say i am condoning the homosexuality behavior). However, to promote and encourage others, especially youths for whatever reason and outright justify homosexuality as a normal life is very wrong in my view.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Since when has it been up to you or me to tell people they're wrong? No this is wrong champ, gay people are just people and we should mind our own damned business and let them live their lives as an equal

It is not as simple as you want to make it sound. I was waiting at a corner one evening to pick up my son, three gay boys as they was coming my direction approach me and ask me if i wanna get raped and why was i standing alone... i got seriously agitated they moved along quickly, i realize what homosexuality has done to our society, if our sons are going to be raise with the understanding that it is good and normal for them to be sexually battered by another man, that it's cool to fall in love with another boy instead of a girl, on the other hand a girl be led to believe that its ok and more fun to be with another girl. This i think is wrong champ -how could that be right. I think it's worst being like that than suffering the little discrimination of society.

 

[darkendless]

It is not as simple as you want to make it sound. I was waiting at a corner one evening to pick up my son, three gay boys as they was coming my direction approach me and ask me if i wanna get raped and why was i standing alone... i got seriously agitated they moved along quickly, i realize what homosexuality has done to our society, if our sons are going to be raise with the understanding that it is good and normal for them to be sexually battered by another man, that it's cool to fall in love with another boy instead of a girl, on the other hand a girl be led to believe that its ok and more fun to be with another girl. This i think is wrong champ -how could that be right. I think it's worst being like that than suffering the little discrimination of society.

With respect thats like me saying i saw a Christian bash a black man, so all Christians are racist haters. Your example is an unfair generalisation. I've never met a violent gay person. Nor have i met a violent christian, but thats not the point. Those boys probably did that because people who openly talk about homosexuality the way you do have bashed their self estheeme into the ground with their bibles. Its pathetic, childish, sickening and degrading. People who use their religion to justify hatred of any kind deserve no respect from society. They should be ostracised for their lack of tolerance and exposed as the weak, prude individuals they are.

It shouldn't be encouraged and more than it is discouraged. When i have children (im too young at 19 to be a complete parent) i want them to be true to themselves, to not be afraid of being gay if thats what their heart tells them. In my mind, living a full and fruitfull life means living the way you want to regardless of social trends. It means having the guts to be yourself, and not what some idiot in a white robe would condition you to do.

One of the major problems i have with mainstream abrahamic religions is their condemnation of acts that are detrimental to the nature of that person. How could a God do that to his subjects, to cause hate and pain from bigots waving their book dedicated to God around as a tool of fear?

 

[Storm]

To be left-handed or the other way around isn't something one can simply decide to choose. Homosexuality is the way of life one would simply choose to live, so it isn't the same at all storm.

Except that it's NOT A CHOICE! I never chose my orientation, no more than you did.

If you don't believe in God or religion, it is pointless discussing anything from that perspective.

No, it isn't. You're just dodging the question.

We should not want neither encourage young people to become homosexuals, this is like making homosexuality a good way of life. What i have come to accept throughout this discussion on the topic is that if one finds themselves living such a life and honestly wants to be that way then you may do so (not to say i am condoning the homosexuality behavior). However, to promote and encourage others, especially youths for whatever reason and outright justify homosexuality as a normal life is very wrong in my view.

So, it's ok to drive kids to suicide, because being queer is worse? How repugnant.

 

[twinmama]

We should not want neither encourage young people to become homosexuals,

Good grief

I.Can.Not.Believe. that in this day and age, with information we have someone would still really say something like this.

 

[Storm]

We should not want neither encourage young people to become homosexuals,

Whether or not we encourage it is irrelevant, since it's not a choice. What is a choice is how we treat youth who are struggling with it.

Good grief

I.Can.Not.Believe. that in this day and age, with information we have someone would still really say something like this.

Indeed.