Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[nonbeliever_92]

"Use the force, homer!"
"The force?"
"No, you idiot, the forks! Use the forks!"

 

[sojourner]

that is so sexist. Awomen!

apeople!

 

[sojourner]

"Use the force, homer!"
"The force?"
"No, you idiot, the forks! Use the forks!"

and do it spoon!!!

 

[HouseofIsrael]

With respect thats like me saying i saw a Christian bash a black man, so all Christians are racist haters. Your example is an unfair generalisation. I've never met a violent gay person. Nor have i met a violent christian, but thats not the point. Those boys probably did that because people who openly talk about homosexuality the way you do have bashed their self estheeme into the ground with their bibles. Its pathetic, childish, sickening and degrading. People who use their religion to justify hatred of any kind deserve no respect from society. They should be ostracised for their lack of tolerance and exposed as the weak, prude individuals they are.

It is obvious you miss missed my whole point, those statements are wrong in my eyes, but it's all right.

It shouldn't be encouraged and more than it is discouraged. When i have children (im too young at 19 to be a complete parent) i want them to be true to themselves, to not be afraid of being gay if thats what their heart tells them. In my mind, living a full and fruitfull life means living the way you want to regardless of social trends. It means having the guts to be yourself, and not what some idiot in a white robe would condition you to do.

One of the major problems i have with mainstream abrahamic religions is their condemnation of acts that are detrimental to the nature of that person. How could a God do that to his subjects, to cause hate and pain from bigots waving their book dedicated to God around as a tool of fear?

I have tried so hard to be general on this subject matter, because i realize that the subject of God is not accepted or recognize by many people, why refer to people and their religious beliefs? quite frankly God did nothing ill to his subjects -society has. You can take religion out of the picture and homosexuality will still be unaccepted by great masses of people, in fact many many Christians practice homosexuality. I think every man has the right to choose what he wants to do with his own life, i just do not think it's right to allow our future generation to believe it's right to become a homosexual.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

If you want to continue discussing whether or not homosexuality is a sin, you need to honest. You know that none of us are advocating that it is "good and normal to sexually battered by another man". Don't talk to me about morality as long as you continue being dishonest.

I think homosexuality is wrong -my personal belief, be it religious or otherwise. If my comments are off subject then i may not comment on it. I do not think it's necessary to keep saying homosexuality is a sin, the question is how can we debate from a religious view if you are not religious. I think the question in your case should be whether the act of homosexuality is wrong or right and not try to make me prove it's a sin because i cannot accomplish that.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Like many religionists, HouseofIsrael seems to be unable to tell the difference between love and rape. That's sad.

Incorrect.

Or maybe he's in favor of men raping women, but opposed to men raping other men?

I prefer to be raped by a woman than to be loved by a man. A man that rapes a woman should pay the price by the court of law. A man that rapes a child boy or girl should pay the ultimate price by the court of law.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Well, you've got a point. As Twain said, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak and remove all doubt.

Of course. But i really don't see the point of listing anything to anyone.

So, your decision is tactically correct, but the fact that you're self-aware enough to realize it reveals deep intellectual dishonesty.

I don't quite follow.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

But your first statement is a religious one. Its mostly the religious who still believe homosexuality is a choice anymore.

Yes, that is true but i still hold my view without including religion so that we can speak on normal terms. I just don't see common sense trying to make a religious point to a person that does not recognize God or religion.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Are you saying it isn't? The family and friends I have that are gay all lead extremely good lives, statistically more have a good way of life than my straight friends.

I understand and to an extent i do agree with you. I am not saying homosexuals are bad people at all, it's just the practice, the act is what i do not accept. I too have a few friends i know that are gay and i do not disrespect or discriminate against them.

 

[twinmama]

Its mostly the religious who still believe homosexuality is a choice anymore.

When we look at the history of science and religions, this is no surprise.

The fact remains that in the name of religion gays and lesbians are killed, tortured and jailed. And unfortenately it does not matter what science says, the inhumane treatment of sexual and gender minorities will continue.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I just don't see common sense trying to make a religious point to a person that does not recognize God or religion.

So, anyone who disagrees with your version of religon is a Godless heathen? Nice to know that its you who gets to decide these things.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

the inhumane treatment of sexual and gender minorities will continue.

I have hope that we will eventually move past this as we contintue to move past racism. Sure, racism continues but if you look at the difference we have made in the last 50 years it can give you hope that we can do the same with sex and gender issues.

 

[twinmama]

I have hope that we will eventually move past this as we contintue to move past racism. Sure, racism continues but if you look at the difference we have made in the last 50 years it can give you hope that we can do the same with sex and gender issues.

In secular ,democratic countries..yes. But in countries that are ruled by theocracy...I have very little hope.(of course I hope very much that I'm wrong)

 

[gnomon]

I just don't see common sense trying to make a religious point to a person that does not recognize God or religion.

Try.

We are actually very intelligent.

I too have a few friends i know that are gay and i do not disrespect or discriminate against them.

Really? Then who did you conclude this:

i just do not think it's right to allow our future generation to believe it's right to become a homosexual.

 

[Autodidact]

You can take religion out of the picture and homosexuality will still be unaccepted by great masses of people, in fact many many Christians practice homosexuality.

Actually the great masses of non-religious people don't have a problem with it.

I think every man has the right to choose what he wants to do with his own life, i just do not think it's right to allow our future generation to believe it's right to become a homosexual.

So you want to dictate what I should teach my kids? If every man has the right to choose his own life, then isn't that what we should teach the future generation?

 

[Autodidact]

I think every man has the right to choose what he wants to do with his own life, i just do not think it's right to allow our future generation to believe it's right to become a homosexual.

What we should teach the future generation is what's right. Since there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, that is what we should teach the future generation. Unless you want to explain why it's wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

I think homosexuality is wrong -my personal belief, be it religious or otherwise. If my comments are off subject then i may not comment on it. I do not think it's necessary to keep saying homosexuality is a sin, the question is how can we debate from a religious view if you are not religious. I think the question in your case should be whether the act of homosexuality is wrong or right and not try to make me prove it's a sin because i cannot accomplish that.

O.K., great. So under what moral logic is it wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

Incorrect.

Then why did you bring up rape in this context?

I prefer to be raped by a woman than to be loved by a man.

Are you sure? What if it's anal rape; does that change your answer?

A man that rapes a woman should pay the price by the court of law. A man that rapes a child boy or girl should pay the ultimate price by the court of law.

But according to your logic, because some men do, we should oppose heterosexuality, right? Otherwise why did you bring up homosexual rape (which is relatively rare compared to heterosexual rape) in this discussion?

 

[Autodidact]

I understand and to an extent i do agree with you. I am not saying homosexuals are bad people at all, it's just the practice, the act is what i do not accept.

What act?

I too have a few friends i know that are gay and i do not disrespect or discriminate against them.

No, you don't. Try this: tell them you believe they're lives are immoral. Then ask whether they consider you their friend.

 

[Autodidact]

Think of it this way, HoI, if you're Jewish. It's like keeping kosher. You may believe that G-d commands you to do it, but that doesn't make people who don't do it immoral. It just makes them not kosher. The religious commandments regarding the two subjects are right next to each other in the Torah.