Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[Buttons*]

From certain parts of Abrahamic faiths...

More esoteric modes within those faiths, often are not homophobic...

why?

Ultimatly there are many reasons, one clear one that we find is:

"Spirit" has no Gender
A person's true self is in turn, "above" gender

It is a bit like driving a car, once again. I can read the manual and understand driving a car. But once I actually drive a car, I soon find, there are things that simply are not and never will be in any manual

I've long since dropped the idea that Gnosticism would seriously be considered Abrahamic, at least on this forum. I do get what you mean though. Gnostics are not homophobic (or shouldn't be) because we are "all" genders, "no" gender, and beyond gender. We react to the Spirit, and thus must confront all on a clean slate and help others shed the cloudy ignorance.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Agreed on most of it. I think, though, that the importance here shouldn't be to hide the idea that homosexuality is considered a sin by many Abrahamic faiths. Faith is important, and the laws of each religion are meant for a purpose, even if we don't understand it. The idea should be that the love of our fellow man despite of the "sin" is more important than tearing one down because of the "sin" in question. If one is a real Christian, for instance, they know and believe that they, themselves, are always sinning, and needing forgiveness to try again. It doesn't matter if they are homosexual, cheating on their spouse, beating their children, lying, suffering from an addiction...etc... the list goes on forever on the kinds of sins one can commit.

For instance, I know a Christian couple who, while they don't believe homosexuality is the way of God, they also don't condemn others for their personal choices. Everyone has to deal with God, so they believe, and come to terms with their own sins. In other words, they themselves have enough sin to keep them occupied - and don't have the time or hate to spend putting someone else down. This should be the idea. Love everyone, and help those who say they want help with whatever "sin" affects them. There's no reason to take the idea of "sin" away from religion, but there is a reason to take the hate away.

Why do we love to think of it as hate, i do not speak of hate for homos it's the deeds i condemn simple -you think it's right, i think it's wrong. Of course we all sin, i do and i admit my wrong doings and work to correct that -the point is to justify homosexuality is not the same as a cheating on a spouse etc.

 

[Sunstone]

Oral sex between consenting heterosexuals does nothing for society except produce pleasure for the participants. Good thing no one's for that.

Now, comeon kids! Let's all sing the "Moral Song"!

We all live
For Society
Society
Society
We all live
For Society
Society
Society

 

[Buttons*]

Why do we love to think of it as hate, i do not speak of hate for homos it's the deeds i condemn simple -you think it's right, i think it's wrong. Of course we all sin, i do and i admit my wrong doings and work to correct that -the point is to justify homosexuality is not the same as a cheating on a spouse etc.

I don't think it's right or wrong, it is what it is. I will not condemn someone simply because they don't fancy who I fancy. That'd be silly. I'm also largely not Abrahamic of faith. (Gnostics tend not to follow Christian logic.) I don't know if it's hate or not, but addressing something as "sin" does not have to be a hateful practice. That's my point. Even if one thinks it's wrong, I'm sure that we all have enough on our plate to keep us occupied. No, cheating on a spouse, imo, is WAY more hurtful and painful - and happens far more often. It should seriously be condemnable moreso than homosexuality currently is.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Oral sex between consenting heterosexuals does nothing for society except produce pleasure for the participants. Good thing no one's for that.

Now, comeon kids! Let's all sing the "Moral Song"!

We all live
For Society
Society
Society
We all live
For Society
Society
Society

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.
:clap:clap:clap

 

[Mr Cheese]

No, cheating on a spouse, imo, is WAY more hurtful and painful - and happens far more often. It should seriously be condemnable moreso than homosexuality currently is.

I have to agree,

sex is sacred....

like anything it can be used and abused....

love is love.....

"cheating is cheating", sleeping around is sleeping around
whatever your sexuality....

 

[Azakel]

What are you talking of my friend, why everything religious you relate to Jesus?

Well maybe because the people who do speak out against Homosexuality the most are Christians.

Anyways, I do not demonized homosexuality, i'm saying it's not of God and only offers pleasure to those who partake.

By spreading lies and ignorant idea about it you might as well be demonizing it. And you say it's not of god....what your god that's right. But who really cares what you sky daddy has to say?

 

[Green Gaia]

I think it is wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin. I think it supports and contributes to prejudice against and ignorance of homosexuality. I think spreading the idea, that homosexuality is a sin, is harmful to many, especially gay youths (who are not worldly enough to see past the nonsense).

I agree with you. Far more harm has been done in belief that there is something wrong with being homosexual or bisexual than just accepting people for who they are has done.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Oral sex between consenting heterosexuals does nothing for society except produce pleasure for the participants. Good thing no one's for that.

My initial point about this was: looking at the purpose of sex and where does homosexuality fits in... if sex was just about pleasure then yes no one may not have a problem with homosexuality because it's all pleasure whether anyone likes it or not, but if the basis and purpose of sex is to reproduce then your point cannot be simply justified.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

I agree with you. Far more harm has been done in belief that there is something wrong with being homosexual or bisexual than just accepting people for who they are has done.

So you see nothing wrong with homosexuality and believe it should be condoned without question?

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Well maybe because the people who do speak out against Homosexuality the most are Christians.

Many Christians believe and practice homosexuality and that's a fact.

By spreading lies and ignorant idea about it you might as well be demonizing it. And you say it's not of god....what your god that's right. But who really cares what you sky daddy has to say?

What lies and ignorant ideas do you speak of?

 

[Alceste]

So you see nothing wrong with homosexuality and believe it should be condoned without question?

Gaia is a lesbian, and is not a religious fundamentalist. What do YOU think she thinks?

 

[Azakel]

What lies and ignorant ideas do you speak of?

Let me thinks, how about everything hateful and ignorant about Homosexuals here is a lie. You have no idea about it at all, just what you so-called god has to say.

 

[Sunstone]

My initial point about this was: looking at the purpose of sex and where does homosexuality fits in... if sex was just about pleasure then yes no one may not have a problem with homosexuality because it's all pleasure whether anyone likes it or not, but if the basis and purpose of sex is to reproduce then your point cannot be simply justified.

It is naive to think "the basis and purpose" of sex is reproduction. While sex has a reproductive function, it also has at least three other functions in many mammals. One of those other functions is undisputed -- the function of promoting bonding.

By the way, it is also naive to speak of nature as having a "purpose". A "purpose" is something organisms with a brain might have. Nature is not an organism with a brain, and it does not harbor "purposes". Think functions.

 

[Sunstone]

So you see nothing wrong with homosexuality and believe it should be condoned without question?

I, for one, see nothing wrong with homosexuality. But then I live in the 21st Century, not the iron age.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Gaia is a lesbian, and is not a religious fundamentalist. What do YOU think she thinks?

I get your point.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

It is naive to think "the basis and purpose" of sex is reproduction. While sex has a reproductive function, it also has at least three other functions in many mammals. One of those other functions is undisputed -- the function of promoting bonding.

By the way, it is also naive to speak of nature as having a "purpose". A "purpose" is something organisms with a brain might have. Nature is not an organism with a brain, and it does not harbor "purposes". Think functions.

I get your point and accepts correction i should have used 'function' instead -however, homosexuality might be against nature. Could i put it this way: the anus's main function according to nature is to excrete waste, if that holds true leaving all other arguments aside, could i be true in saying it is against nature to engage it other manners?

 

[HouseofIsrael]

I, for one, see nothing wrong with homosexuality. But then I live in the 21st Century, not the iron age.

Living in the iron age has nothing to do with this my friend. Homosexuality is nothing new, in fact it probably started before the iron age and there is nothing really new under the sun, maybe in a different or updated construct, but not new. To think of homosexuality as something of the 21st century is to be naive.

 

[HouseofIsrael]

Let me thinks, how about everything hateful and ignorant about Homosexuals here is a lie. You have no idea about it at all, just what you so-called god has to say.

Listen to you, i'm not even talking religious here.

 

[Alceste]

Listen to you, i'm not even talking religious here.

Maybe not openly, but your religiousness is definitely shining through.

You've stated yourself homosexuality is nothing new, so how can it be against nature if all of nature abounds with it?

What you mean to say is: it's against your invisible friend's explicit instructions, which you believe are recorded in some antiquated book.