Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Response: It's a sin if you are a homosexual and you are having sex. Sex between two people of the same sex is lust. Surely, two people of the same sex can love each other. I love my father and brothers dearly. However, sex between two people of the same gender is an act of lust, not love.

I also love my mother and sister dearly, but the love I have for my wife is a different sort of love from that. Same thing for a same-sex couple.

Just as your love for your wife (assuming you're married) is different from your love for your mother or sisters (if you have sisters), the love of a gay man for his partner is different from the love he has for his father or brothers.

Response: The qur'an does not speak directly about lesbianism. However, in ch.30: 21,22 it says:

"And of His Signs is that He has created wives for you from among yourselves that you may find peace in them, and He has put love and tenderness between you. In that, surely, are signs for a people who reflect".

The "you" referred to in the verse are men. Allah reveals the verse to Muhammad and speaks directly to the men because men are to be the protectors of women. Therefore, the verse is speaking of the loving marriage between man and woman and condemns the act of lust between the same sex, as demonstrated in ch.7:81, ch.29:28,29 and ch. 26:165 when he punishes the people of Lut who were homosexuals.

It seems that you're committing a logical fallacy here. Saying "I have created wives for you men" is not the same thing as saying "all women are intended to be wives for men".

Also, the passage you quoted says nothing at all about "the act of lust between the same sex".

 

[Autodidact]

Response: And I assure you, it's not.

Let me review this: you're telling Green Gaia what Green Gaia feels? You know better than she?

 

[Green Gaia]

Response: Read the context.

I still don't get it. There are different types of love. Love you feel for your family, romantic love, love of your fellow human beings...

 

[Storm]

Let me review this: you're telling Green Gaia what Green Gaia feels? You know better than she?

He must be a psychic. Wait, isn't witchcraft forbidden, too? STONE HIM!

 

[Fatihah]

There's the statement. Where's the proof?

Response: You'll have to be specific.

 

[Green Gaia]

Fatihah, you hate me. Why?

 

[Fatihah]

But, but... without arrogant attempts to assert someone else's state of mind, he has no argument!

Response: Likewise.

 

[Fatihah]

Don't worry about it. Fatihah is in the habit of lying about other people.

Response: Likewise.

 

[Storm]

Response: Likewise.

Wrong. I haven't tried to tell anyone what they think or feel. But then, as Auto pointed out, you're a dirty liar.

Response: Likewise.

Case in point.

 

[Fatihah]

Sorry, but I don't see where that verse says anything about homosexuality at all. Not that it matters.

Response: I never said it did either. However, it addresses and condones the union of man and woman and in relation to the other verses presented, it condemns homosexuality.

 

[Green Gaia]

Response: I never said it did either.

Yes, you did:

Therefore, the verse ... condemns the act of lust between the same sex...

 

[Fatihah]

Of course not, you haven't offered me anything to rebut. You've made your assertions, I've made mine. The difference is, yours are groundless, based on nothing but bigoted assumptions.

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

 

[Storm]

Yes, you did:

Another instance of Fatihah lying? I'm shocked!

 

[Storm]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

In the fact that you have nothing to fall back on but a catchphrase.

 

[Green Gaia]

Ok, I'll use the same logic you are: homosexuality is acceptable and natural because my religion says so.

You never responded to this post, Fatihah.

 

[Fatihah]

Since I know you can't understand the simplest concepts, I'd prefer that you just provide the verses and let me figure out what they mean.

So the Qu'ran says nothing whatsoever about female/female love, and everything you've posted so far is just your own narrow bigotry? Thanks, that's what I figured.

Response: Your inability to comprehend is no fault of mine.

 

[Storm]

So, on the "homosexuality is a sin" side, we have: religion and bigotry.

On the "no it isn't" side, religion, logic, ethics, and personal experience.

We win.

 

[Green Gaia]

So, on the "homosexuality is a sin" side, we have: religion and bigotry.

On the "no it isn't" side, religion, logic, ethics, and personal experience.

We win.

:rainbow1:

 

[slave2six]

Response: Your inability to comprehend is no fault of mine.

Flubiteringumptimoniuous!

(It's not my fault if you don't understand that.)

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE 9-10ths_Penguin]I also love my mother and sister dearly, but the love I have for my wife is a different sort of love from that. Same thing for a same-sex couple.

Just as your love for your wife (assuming you're married) is different from your love for your mother or sisters (if you have sisters), the love of a gay man for his partner is different from the love he has for his father or brothers.(End Quote)

Response: True. But sex between the same gender is still lust.

(Quote 9-10ths Penguin)
It seems that you're committing a logical fallacy here. Saying "I have created wives for you men" is not the same thing as saying "all women are intended to be wives for men".(End Quote)

Response: No, it doesn't. But the verse in relation to the others presented show that Allah condones the union between man and woman through love and condemns lust not only between man and woman but of the same sex. Then we also have the verse:

"He has created from you a single soul and made therefrom its mate, that he might find comfort in her. And when he knows her, she bears a light burden and goes about with it. And when she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah, their Lord, "If thou give us a good (child), we will surely be thankful."(Ch.7:189)
Also we read,

"And that He creates the pairs, male and female"
Ch.53:45

And the direct words of the Prophet himself condemns it.
(Quote 9-10ths Penguin)
Also, the passage you quoted says nothing at all about "the act of lust between the same sex".(End quote)

Response: The other verses do. Islam is also a religion of submitting your will. Lust contridicts that.