Is Jesus an avatar of Lord Vishnu?

[Gaura Priya]

Why not consider Gautama Buddha? Although He did not have any killing of the innocents, He was prophesied in a dream by His mother, and when He was birthed into the world, a shaft of light came from the heavens upon Him, and all the demigods in heaven rejoiced at His birth.

Many Hindus have just absorbed Jesus into their theology, like they have done with other foreign religions. They become Shaktyavesha Avatars of Lord Vishnu, such as Jesus, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah (thus the idea of the local Hindu villages 'becoming Baha'i' is probably false, and they merely accepted Him into the Hindu pantheon and still continued to perform pujas and whatnot).

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I forgot the biggest thing that both krishna and Jesus birth stories have in common.

Both of them were born without a sexual union of their parents. How many people can say that.

 

[astarath]

Is this a little one sided to have all Hindus discussing how Christ applies to Hinduism?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Is this a little one sided to have all Hindus discussing how Christ applies to Hinduism?

As it should be. It is a Hindu Dir. You should start a thread under Religious debates.

 

[kaisersose]

I forgot the biggest thing that both krishna and Jesus birth stories have in common.
Both of them were born without a sexual union of their parents. How many people can say that.

Where is it said that Krishna was born without a sexual union of his parents?

Mithraism claims Mithra was born to a virgin and his birthday was December 25. And he predates Jesus.

Marvin Meyer holds that early Christianity, in general, resembles Mithraism in a number of respects — enough to make Christian apologists scramble to invent creative theological explanations to account for the similarities.

 

[kaisersose]

Why not consider Gautama Buddha? Although He did not have any killing of the innocents, He was prophesied in a dream by His mother, and when He was birthed into the world, a shaft of light came from the heavens upon Him, and all the demigods in heaven rejoiced at His birth.

Do Buddhists says this or is it just Hindus? Makes a big difference.

 

[Madhuri]

Where is it said that Krishna was born without a sexual union of his parents?

Actually it does say that. I can't remembeer which source though probably Bhagavat Purana.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Do Buddhists says this or is it just Hindus? Makes a big difference.

Some of the later sutras say that Buddha was born from the side of his mom.

 

[Riverwolf]

-Herders both were a big part of the story for both. Shepherds for Christ and Gopas (herders of cows) for Krishna.

Huh? I don't remember anything about herders being a big part of Jesus's story.

Those others are common storytelling elements and don't point to one being directly inspired by the other.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Huh? I don't remember anything about herders being a big part of Jesus's story.

Luke 2 (NIV)

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Do Buddhists says this or is it just Hindus? Makes a big difference.

The Lord Rama was also born from the fire of a Homa.

 

[kaisersose]

Actually it does say that. I can't remembeer which source though probably Bhagavat Purana.

Can I see a reference?

I ask because in all these years, I have never read or even heard anything to that effect.

Thanks

 

[kaisersose]

Some of the later sutras say that Buddha was born from the side of his mom.

I ask because "demigods rejoiced in heaven" sounds like a Hare Krishna description and not Buddhist.

 

[Riverwolf]

Luke 2 (NIV)

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

Oh, them? They didn't really play a big part in the story. They just gave some gifts.

I'd hardly call that a parallel.

 

[Madhuri]

Can I see a reference?

I ask because in all these years, I have never read or even heard anything to that effect.

Thanks

I'll look for it after I get back from work later on.
I actually doubted this myself until I recently had the same argument with my dad. I ended up finding the source/quote but now I've forgotten.

You can try to find it online if you'd like. That might be how I found it.

 

[Milind2469]

Is this a little one sided to have all Hindus discussing how Christ applies to Hinduism?

Dear astarath. Apologies if you feel hurt or similar.
Hindu text is not for one group of people.
It is modern western concept to limit the people in India and surrounding area to a "religion" called Hindu. (Even the name is not ours).

We do not consider that there are different Gods for different peoples.

 

[Satsangi]

I'll look for it after I get back from work later on.
I actually doubted this myself until I recently had the same argument with my dad. I ended up finding the source/quote but now I've forgotten.

You can try to find it online if you'd like. That might be how I found it.

You were right, Madhuri. I did find the reference in Srimad Bhagvatam and the link is as below 10.2.18. It does say that the "transfer" of Lord Krishna from Vasudevji to Devkiji was through "manas" (mind).

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 10 Chapter 2 Verse 18

Regards,

 

[chinu]

Well Hindus, what do you think? Is he?

Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha etc.. was an avatars of "God"

Lord Rama, Lord Krishna was the avtars of "Vishnu"

I know about only these peoples because i have studied about them but in each genrations the avtars of "God" and the other powers like "Vishnu" or "Shiv" use to come, These different avtars has been known by different names in different religions and faiths.

As "God" is not a person "God" is power, similarly "Vishnu" is not a person "Vishnu" is also a power below than "God"

_/\_
Chinu.

 

[shankara_kalady]

Is Jesus a creation of Saul aka Paul?

Any way, with the Epic of Gilgamesh and Epic of Creation, it's pretty clear that whoever wrote the Book of Genesis was influenced of Mesopotamian religion. With the New Testament such an influence is gone, maybe those writers are influenced of another culture. Maybe something more Hellenistic... with the sudden change in the belief in One God to the belief in God in three: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Is Jesus a creation of Saul aka Paul?

Any way, with the Epic of Gilgamesh and Epic of Creation, it's pretty clear that whoever wrote the Book of Genesis was influenced of Mesopotamian religion. With the New Testament such an influence is gone, maybe those writers are influenced of another culture. Maybe something more Hellenistic... with the sudden change in the belief in One God to the belief in God in three: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

I don't see the importance of arguing if Jesus is a Historic figure or not. He has been experienced by Christian Mystics and even some modern Hindu seers.

It is the direct experience of the divine that is important not the history of any religion. This is my view and I know many disagree with me on this issue. I use to have a drug addicted inlaw. Who was destroying the life of his wife and Children. He told his family that Christ came to him grabbed him and shook him and told him to stop drinking and using drugs. He never used them again till the day he died. He became a good dad and an outstanding man. That is proof enough for me. He knew Christ very differently then Historians that is the type of knowledge I am interested in.