Is Jesus Eternal?

[Muffled]

I think that it depends on who you ask..

Are we referring to Jesus' body, or Jesus' soul/spirit?
All bodies are part of the creation.

It is debatable whether souls/spirits are part of the creation..
They certainly aren't part of the physical creation.

I believe that ALL souls/spirits belong to God.
..that they exist for eternity, as does God.

..so yes, in this context, Jesus is eternal .. but so are we all.

I believe there is no evidence to say that our spirits are eternal but the Word is that God is eternal.

 

[Muffled]

If you believe Jesus is the Word then yes, John 1 says the Word is God and as God is eternal so must the Word be.

I believe the Word was not Jesus. It entered flesh at conception (became).

 

[muhammad_isa]

I believe there is no evidence to say that our spirits are eternal but the Word is that God is eternal.

Would that be because you do not believe what Jesus is reported to have said?

44 They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25

 

[Trailblazer]

How did he then "emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men"?

Maybe other verses from Paul's writings are more clear about pre-existence of Christ incarnated as Jesus:

I believe that Jesus Christ was pre-existent, so He was 'with God' in the spiritual world before He was born in the likeness of men.

(96) PRE-EXISTENCE - of Prophets

The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to
picture His state of being.
(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)

I believe that the soul of Jesus was sent to earth by God and His soul united with His body when He was born of Mary in the likeness of men. After that, he "emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant.

 

[rational experiences]

Our human parents now skeletal dusts were first life. Had sex. Weren't named by a theist man son.

You can claim I believe such and such happened. Next moment two humans existed. And it's all just talk.

As baby humans we own our life by human sex.

So our brother the first theist first scientist had to get his brothers to agree science. As the first lives claiming...I'm different from you. I act and think differently.

In telling lifes truth.

Which was first cult. First bullying human behaviour versus natural innocence a non want of murder or destruction.

Knowing some of us still feel that way now. As you have to be enabled to compare to identify change or want of change.

Science built. Immaculate planet earth heavens owned sacrifice in the womb of space natural light. Gods inheritance.

No argument exists about the heavens above not being human.

Vacuum void holy space womb one way...sucking out away keeps heat where it belongs in space.

So men build temples machine on mount...mount ain. Hebrew Ain is zero and zero is peace said men.

On ground and underground pyramid technology doing dust nuclear earth mass converting.

It caused star sun mass above to cross over. It sacrificed life on mount ain. Temples blew.

Life mutated. Old testimony.

Nuclear fallout in nature is nothing like a power plant shut down.

Vacuum void removed UFO attack...it left. You could still see it at night burning in space. Bright star.

Life lived mutated.

As the sun gets smaller and smaller more empty space opens. Space pressures change. Mother womb changes.

That condition holy mother men said allowed for rebirth of gas mass body. Previously sacrificed to return.

Isn't a human. Has no condition human. Belongs to God.

Now if you have to teach a scientist they are wrong what would you say?

Sacrifice of human baby biology wrong. All of us. Why would you claim a baby life sacrificed as an adult saved you?

You'd be lying.

Parents all same origin human DNA. Babies all same DNA once too. Brothers sisters from another mother yet same parent.

Now if you said a body sacrificed returned above saved us. You'd be talking science only. Claiming I need that body to exist above to keep my life safe saved in biology.

So you were not discussing a special man ever. Pressures. Pressures hold ground water oxygen where it belongs. Around us...wrapping us in its presence body mass holy life water.

As nature needs it. Animals need it. All humans need it.

Men invented all terms by thoughts as humans science. It's why you think you are extra special. Yet science removes destroys.

So you cause then sacrifice a pre existing already sacrificed gas spirit natural light above as spirit body existing as natural gas light. So how does it make you superior?

Only in your head state. Thinking.

Now is Jesus depicted crown of thorns prickling bleeding?

Yes.

I gained excrutiating heated brain. Prickling. My mind state visions changed. I thought I felt drugged. I thought I was having an experience no other human was. It didn't make me special.

It hurt. I thought I would die.

Only when you inherit gain the same paths given to a man owning that bio experience can you say...now I know.

Are you ready for that inheritance?

 

[rational experiences]

His story man human.

My experience of a man suffering.

My experience said as a man I would not listen to my own holy human father's advice against science temple.

My experience I remembered what old men of science had caused before. Correlated to new advice nuclear science is life's destroyer.

Saved my life as a mutual equal human agreement as aware. We were given a legal position. To give family its life back. By my teaching.

The advice saved life on earth. Legal forbade nuclear dust science. Proclaimed legal heavens holy. Dusts holy. Legal stated man was never allowed to change holiness.

Is why science today wants religious idealism removed as our predicted life's destroyer by the false god his machine and star mass theories.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Don't forget though, that Paul(Saul) of Tarsus, was not a disciple..

He is considered a saint in the Catholic church .. does that make him infallible?
..it probably does according to Catholic infallibility doctrine.
They claim that Pope's and ecumenical council decisions are infallible.

..so to a staunch "believer", what "the church" says must be right by definition.

Personally, I follow no Guru .. no Pope .. no Imam.
I trust in God to guide me, and not fallible men.

The question was: How is it possible that Jesus is eternal (if we celebrate his birth each year)? According to Bible it's possible because Jesus had a pre-human existence.
Personally I don't believe so but I don't know if the OP asked for a personal opinion.

 

[rational experiences]

A human being man's pre life as a born male baby is his human father.

Is his father's human spirit as a species. Meaning it's inside his DNA genetics life as the baby. The human one species yet the baby isn't his first father actually.

So a baby human is told the reason you grow into an adult man human yourself is because your owned man father preceded your life. Is within your body now...not the past.

Seeing baby adult man taught I'm the creator of my adult father from his baby self.

Remembering it's about conscious self identification and a lost mind consciousness via mutated expired DNA life of old testamonial teaching.

Confused minds with false god human theisms.

It's why teaching said you only ever owned one first ever human father or human mother. Now deceased not eternal as bio human.

Now your sister is both your mother and your daughter and wife. So don't theory illogical lying as you are all just baby creator life now.

So men said their mother is holy now. In relativity it's his sister who he said was a whore lying. As he wasn't allowed to claim his mother or daughter a whore. Both virgins first so was his wife.

All the same baby human female role play now.

So a man said if I teach I'm holy immaculate as baby man surely the human mind will agree men are holy so are women. If I say my holy mother gave me life.

Yet they didn't. Still to this day use incriminating religious idealism against human women.

Today is the same as yesterday is the same as the past. Men in the past started abusing women's rights.

If you ask is memory eternal..

No. It always changes. Memory is humans pre identification. Why we wrote records. Pre identity life cell body mutated left conscious life.

Is a human father the body type gone now skeletal dusts? Yes.

Will that body type be dusts forever more?

Yes.

It's also a pre type of presence before human baby life now. Baby human only born from microbial bodies sperm ovary. Sex. Told exact.

Sperm ovary not eternal.
Human sex not eternal.
Death however is eternal also. By thesis to think upon a used word by human meaning only.

Dusts remain forever as human death dusts.

As brain entrainment by teachings words constant three times day ceremony. Was practiced. It was to bring the mind back to natural human awareness. As medical knew it had been lost.

Therefore as body bleeding cell changed. Women once were sexually mature age 18 to 21. Changed life cell wife cycle pregnancy in sacrifice back to about 13.

Now it's removed again back to age 10. Showing human development cells status is once again heavenly changed by nuclear science input of transmitters.

Water oxygen cell life health don't transmit. Transmitting science had been forbidden. So evil men have already won satanic life destruction as men of greed.

 

[101G]

Eternal, by definition, is that which lasts forever; without beginning and without end.

Jesus was born. We know this because his birth is celebrated on this day every year by Christians worldwide.

I've also heard it said that Jesus is eternal. Is this possible? If His beginning is celebrated each year, he obviously has a beginning. So how is it possible that Jesus is eternal?

Addressing the OP only, not having read all post.
the first mistake is, "Jesus is not Born", but the body that he came in was.

Mistake #2. JESUS is the ONLY ONE who is ETERNAL. supportive Scripture, 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

101G.