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Is Jesus God?

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Genesis is one of the most spiritual books of the Bible. It's up there with the book of Revelation. It's really the foundational book of the Bible. You can't understand anything else without a good grasp of the book of Genesis.

I'm disappointed you would contradict the book of Genesis in favor of some kind of man made evolution fairy tale. :confused:

No contradiction, the Bible is a book about 2 completely different religions, Judaism that starts in Genesis 2:4 after creation of heaven and Earth is aready ..FINISHED, the basis of Christianity. No further discussion of it.
If the rest of the Genesis creation narrative was just supporting detail of the creation outline in chapter 1 then there would be ZERO contradictions but the Jews creation story is full of contradictions. They are not the same story of creation at all.
People were on Earth alive for Generations in the day Abraham invented the Jewish creation story of Adam and Eve.
he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," God is NOT Lord God= the Jewish God.
God created and Lord God stole Earth gaining control of it with lies believed as truth.
The Gate of the Sun in western Bolivia dates back to 14,000 BC. That was before Abraham invented Adam.
Turkey's Gobekli Tepe was abandoned 12,500 years ago and that predated Stonehenge by 6,000 years.
Trace the bloodline of "Adam" back to Adam and that makes Adam's "birth" at around 6,000 years ago.
Adam did not exist as a belief when the caves at Lascaux were being painted.
Adam and Eve are inventions of Abraham that he tricked people into believing as truth. They are fictional characters that never existed as real people, now and always.
 
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74x12

Well-Known Member
No contradiction, the Bible is a book about 2 completely different religions, Judaism that starts in Genesis 2:4 after creation of heaven and Earth is aready ..FINISHED, the basis of Christianity. No further discussion of it.
If the rest of the Genesis creation narrative was just supporting detail of the creation outline in chapter 1 then there would be ZERO contradictions but the Jews creation story is full of contradictions. They are not the same story of creation at all.
People were on Earth alive for Generations in the day Abraham invented the Jewish creation story of Adam and Eve.
The Gate of the Sun in western Bolivia dates back to 14,000 BC. That was before Abraham invented Adam.
Turkey's Gobekli Tepe was abandoned 12,500 years ago and that predated Stonehenge by 6,000 years.
Trace the bloodline of "Adam" back to Adam and that makes Adam's "birth" at around 6,000 years ago.
Adam did not exist as a belief when the caves at Lascaux were being painted.
Adam and Eve are inventions of Abraham that he tricked people into believing as truth. They are fictional characters that never existed as real people, now and always.
Dating methods can be wrong. Besides many people believe in the pre-Adamic earth. To throw out large swathes of Genesis is not right. We should believe God's truth rather than man's. As the scripture says; Let God be true and every man a liar.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
God is not an animal so if you mean a physical union with Mary, no, that never happened as she had a virgin birth.
Today using science, many females of different species give birth from an egg fertilized in Vitro. Today scientists manipulate DNA on an amazing scale.

Ever heard of a Blue Strawberry? It is produced by mixing plant DNA from a strawberry with a Nordic specie of fish DNA and the result is a tasty blue strawberry that does not turn to mush after thawing from being frozen. Part plant, part fish but wait, did you know that one of the strongest products on the planet has been created by mixing spider DNA with goat DNA? The resulting milk from the female goats born from that in Vitro union, is processed into threads and bullet proof vests are made out of it. Of course there is also the genetically modified by humans, "glow in the dark" beagles.
Jesus has no male human "father". His DNA was modified by God (God is not human) that created him and it is superior to other human DNA. Jesus is human but a genetically modified human, a "new and improved" human capable of amazing miracles making him the Son of God, a creation by God not man.
God was a humans scientific discussion how spirit gases flow formed cooling in space with space encompassing space in cooling gas. Being stretched into immaculate gases to the reactive by heat from sun sacrifice.... back into a dense cold.

A cooling function movement of hot gas cold gas void vacuum plus water. O circulation spin G O into DD pressure back into OO continual cooling.

Gods spirits the heavens gods angels the clouds kept life protected from hot gas fall.

Hot spirit evil spirit gas.

Satan star fall attack. From sun history.

CH that arise gas body one mass that belonged to O God the one earth entity kept us safe. It's only inherited inheritor body not any human.

It had been man chosen sacrificed removed by machine science of man's choice. Out of earths cold mas energy back to a cold gas first then burnt out in converting. Heavens losses the same.

As cold gas conscious advice from the heavens first.

Hence burning gases attacked by hot gas Hot water the DNA genesis of biology.

As biology the living disappears in the water evaporation losses and dies out as it changes its substance in cooled water biology.

Said man's scientist.

Jesus not God. Also no man is God by term what a God body was directly owner of as.

A gas is direct the gas a gas...not a human.

A gas burning is direct a gas mass burning. Not a human.

How the topic human consciousness depicted without the presence body mass of Ch rose gases in heavens humans lost their correct consciousness.

Humans then became life's destroyer the exact warning to humans by humans for humans as humans.

Moses mutation history gained star fall.

A long time evolving cooling. Wandering star observed why. Holy. Passing by earth not falling in burning.

Men identified the reasons a cooling God heavens supported healthy happy man baby DNA to return.

Had healed human cell.
Had healed human mother ovah ovary body.

I E. Ovah. The example scientific genesis stated.

Why mutated human babies suddenly healed DNA life returned by atmospheric cooling. Exactly stated.

Only human sex owned human babies.

Warning don't self idolise or science false preach about human life.

Brain changed ego and group control did and had done exactly what it was warned not to. As chosen human behaviour.

A mutated human is theoried why a mutated humans biology healed.

The advice.... as in origin life the mutation hadn't existed.

Holy mother holy father exact water mass with biomes removed origin by carbon attack. Cooled owned new water health. By pressurised returns by upper gas mass returns human life water body that entered biology.

Miraculous human healing witnessed proving human DNA was perfectly healthy in origin life until science evaporated ground life taking water mass.

As taught by human memory. The human spiritual experience. The human identified their healing as living returned previous human life losses.

Origin life that had been first owned by mother father and healthy.
 

JerryMyers

Active Member
Common sense would tell us to listen to logic and reason. Logic and reason based on scriptural evidence; tells us that the idea God does not or cannot send himself is refuted. I'm sorry but that's the fact.
Fact is, logic and reason based on scriptural evidence will tell you God NEVER LITERALLY SEND Himself to preach to mankind. I'm sorry but that's the fact.

You will find many scriptural evidences that show God always sends someone and NEVER send Himself to preach to mankind. Here are a few examples:

- “The Lord looked at him and said, “Go in this your strength and deliver Israel from the hand of Midian. Have I not sent you?– Judges 6:14

- ‘Then He said to me, “Son of man, I am sending you to the sons of Israel, to a rebellious people who have rebelled against Me; they and their fathers have transgressed against Me to this very day’ – Ezekiel 2:3

- ‘Then Jeremiah spoke to all the officials and to all the people, saying, “The Lord sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that you have heard’ – Jeremiah 26:12

….. and we both know there are many verses where Jesus himself said he was sent by God, don’t we??

However, if you have scriptural evidence(s) that God literally sent Himself to preach to mankind, NOW is the good time to show them.

We did, through Adam come from God; but none of us are said to be the very Word made flesh. (John 1:14)
John 1 is about God’s Glory in His Creations and God creates by just uttering a word (a command) and since the word was uttered by God Himself, we said it’s the Word of God, and the Word of God was God (that is, divine) only at the time of the creation after which the word is just an ordinary word and that’s why John 1:1-2 are in past-tensed.

Jesus is just one of God’s Glory in His Creations and in John 1, the creation of Jesus is narrated in John 1:14 when the Command, that is, the Word that God uttered, became flesh/human. Likewise, I can also say the tree became a table, that is, after the tree was chopped down and the carpenter made a table out of it.

The ‘Word’ in John 1 was translated from the Greek word ‘Logos’ which is a masculine noun (the Greek language has masculine and feminine nouns), and that’s why at times, the ‘logos’ is referred to as a ‘he’ or ‘him’, which Christians mistook it as Jesus when it’s just a word uttered by God, that is, Word of God.

So, if you can remove your preconceived mindset that Jesus is God, then, you can understand John 1:1-14 as it was meant to be understood, and that is, NOTHING gets created or came into existence UNLESS God Commands it. In other words, only through God Commanding Word/the Word of God, all things were made, without God Commanding it, nothing was made that has been made and that’s what John 1:3 is saying. I can also say the Word (of God) became Light because that’s how Light was created and that is, after God uttered, “Let there BE Light and there was Light”.

It is what Psalm 33:9 said – “For He spoke, and it came to be; He commanded, and it stood firm”.

Clearly, Jesus is NOT God or literally the Word of God, Jesus’ creation through his miraculous virgin birth is the sign of God’s Glory in His Creations and God creates by just commanding it (that is, by uttering a commanding word) into existence.


Let's look at John 8:23
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."
The idea that Jesus is just the same as us and that he is not claiming to be from above is refuted. He claims over and over to be from above. It's just that we humans have a hard time truly listening. We'd rather interpret or downgrade the things he said to something more believable or understandable. But Jesus meant it all exactly.
Firstly, you need to read your scriptural verses in context and remove your pre-conceived mindset that Jesus and God are one and the same person – they are not as Jesus had repeatedly said he was sent by God, which common sense should tell you the one who sends CAN NOT also be literally the one who was sent !!

Secondly, you need to stop taking all Jesus’ words literally as you should know better that, more often than not, Jesus spoke figuratively and in parables.

In context, and in saying “You are from beneath; I am from above: you are from this world, I am not of this world”, Jesus was telling the Jews that they are mainly focused on the desires of the physical world (that is, for personal power and authority, wealth, and other earthly things) while Jesus is mainly focused on the desires from above, that is, as of what God, who is in heaven above, desired of him.

Even Paul understood this and that’s why he said, “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” – Colossians 3:2
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Dating methods can be wrong. Besides many people believe in the pre-Adamic earth. To throw out large swathes of Genesis is not right. We should believe God's truth rather than man's. As the scripture says; Let God be true and every man a liar.

God, the Father of Jesus, is true. The Jewish Lord God is made up by Jews. Jesus refused to obey the Jewish laws and they threatened to stone him to death for it. The Jewish laws were made by a man that said they were from God but they were not. Jesus taught by disobedience that they are not God's laws. We are to obey the laws of God not the lies of man called laws.
Jews stoned a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. The man did nothing wrong in the eyes of God but the Jews said he did. Jesus refused to obey Jewish "Sabbath" laws and Jews used that against him as another reason Jesus should die. Some people today that call themselves Christians say we are to obey the Jewish laws. Jesus came to dispel/remove belief in those human killing laws. All the false laws that include Jews have a right to own slaves and some are never to be freed are not to be believed. God did not make those laws, a Hebrew/Jew did. See those laws are lies and let God be true.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Fact is, logic and reason based on scriptural evidence will tell you God NEVER LITERALLY SEND Himself to preach to mankind. I'm sorry but that's the fact.

You will find many scriptural evidences that show God always sends someone and NEVER send Himself to preach to mankind. Here are a few examples:

- “The Lord looked at him and said, “Go in this your strength and deliver Israel from the hand of Midian. Have I not sent you?– Judges 6:14

- ‘Then He said to me, “Son of man, I am sending you to the sons of Israel, to a rebellious people who have rebelled against Me; they and their fathers have transgressed against Me to this very day’ – Ezekiel 2:3

- ‘Then Jeremiah spoke to all the officials and to all the people, saying, “The Lord sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that you have heard’ – Jeremiah 26:12

….. and we both know there are many verses where Jesus himself said he was sent by God, don’t we??

However, if you have scriptural evidence(s) that God literally sent Himself to preach to mankind, NOW is the good time to show them.


John 1 is about God’s Glory in His Creations and God creates by just uttering a word (a command) and since the word was uttered by God Himself, we said it’s the Word of God, and the Word of God was God (that is, divine) only at the time of the creation after which the word is just an ordinary word and that’s why John 1:1-2 are in past-tensed.

Jesus is just one of God’s Glory in His Creations and in John 1, the creation of Jesus is narrated in John 1:14 when the Command, that is, the Word that God uttered, became flesh/human. Likewise, I can also say the tree became a table, that is, after the tree was chopped down and the carpenter made a table out of it.

The ‘Word’ in John 1 was translated from the Greek word ‘Logos’ which is a masculine noun (the Greek language has masculine and feminine nouns), and that’s why at times, the ‘logos’ is referred to as a ‘he’ or ‘him’, which Christians mistook it as Jesus when it’s just a word uttered by God, that is, Word of God.

So, if you can remove your preconceived mindset that Jesus is God, then, you can understand John 1:1-14 as it was meant to be understood, and that is, NOTHING gets created or came into existence UNLESS God Commands it. In other words, only through God Commanding Word/the Word of God, all things were made, without God Commanding it, nothing was made that has been made and that’s what John 1:3 is saying. I can also say the Word (of God) became Light because that’s how Light was created and that is, after God uttered, “Let there BE Light and there was Light”.

It is what Psalm 33:9 said – “For He spoke, and it came to be; He commanded, and it stood firm”.

Clearly, Jesus is NOT God or literally the Word of God, Jesus’ creation through his miraculous virgin birth is the sign of God’s Glory in His Creations and God creates by just commanding it (that is, by uttering a commanding word) into existence.



Firstly, you need to read your scriptural verses in context and remove your pre-conceived mindset that Jesus and God are one and the same person – they are not as Jesus had repeatedly said he was sent by God, which common sense should tell you the one who sends CAN NOT also be literally the one who was sent !!

Secondly, you need to stop taking all Jesus’ words literally as you should know better that, more often than not, Jesus spoke figuratively and in parables.

In context, and in saying “You are from beneath; I am from above: you are from this world, I am not of this world”, Jesus was telling the Jews that they are mainly focused on the desires of the physical world (that is, for personal power and authority, wealth, and other earthly things) while Jesus is mainly focused on the desires from above, that is, as of what God, who is in heaven above, desired of him.

Even Paul understood this and that’s why he said, “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” – Colossians 3:2
In the olden days we didn't have designed machines used in modern studies as mind controlled by men designer computers phones satellites TVs radio. Machine status AI non speaking first. Man thinking talking words wanted light at the ground not in the held vacuum....lying.

So when you heard AI it spoke by natural causes cooling in heavens causes man designer gone out of life biologies. Yet it was because natural life was changed.

A scientists caused machine conditions. A human designer. A human controlling reactions by a human thought choice. Reason why the phenomena happened.

Anti human status by caused controlled human choice.

So if you heard the medium speaking you did.

It says very strange meanings using men's words.

Men had designed machines. Owned operated and mind controlled the machines and how they wanted the machine to react.

Yet all physical form's not speaking not reacting you took physically out of earths mass yourself. By advice heavens gases first.

So God never told any man as a son what to do.

A man as an adult is always the son man of humans own human adult father in biology.

Who had human sex. Whose sperm entered an ovary whose bodies became a human baby.

Human son of a man.

It's about time you read the summation first no man is God instead of false preaching.

You were told don't listen to the heavenly medium. You ignore your own written promise to obey reality...no man is God.

Instead you want a human baby and a human man to be a special human. As the theist designer thought they were superior to and better than everyone first. A human man...man's men agreed with the status.

Group multi men as one man's bad behaviour first.

Theme I'm special....a baby is always a biological human grown in a human woman's womb.

Sexually conceived.

The argument a God by he him his men's conscious trilogy status put the baby immaculately into a woman's human womb ovary. Ova ovah. Hadn't.

It was thought about why.

God did it he says.

O earth is God planet in science
Heavens gases burning hot cold water oxygen.

No entity humans with dominion.

The thesis human genesis and why it left human genesis. Stated exact. Medical. A healers advice medical practitioner of old.

Said old. Genesis had left human DNA. Mutated. Reason. Humans living in mountains smaller population were saved.

Humans on ground drowned in floods or were combusted.

UFO stopped ark hit mt Ararat.

Mountains face protected by cloud mass kept cooled safe the humans living in the mountains. DNA biology.

Only a small human animal population survived said memory.

The stars fell.

Now where I lived thousands of years later. Evil scientists rebuilt temple pyramid science destroyed. Told story.

So I had to detail how I came about telling this story mind brain prickled irradiated. Hearing old man voices of old father's human.

My life was living within God heavens returned biological genesis as Christ gas body had remassed by cooling over a long time period. The ovah of my human mother had healed.

Water regained oxygenated cell health. Christ holy ox body mass supports water held to be able oxygenated.

I was born due to evolution. Now I'm dying body sacrificed. I write my evidence why.

From loss of earths evolved atmosphere supported evolved previously by a non falling star.

So I preach taught why my idea knew the genetic inherited advice. As the atmosphere sacrificed my life body again allowed me to be advised.

Why I personally was dying early age death as the heavens was diminishing its body.

How it was known advised by a reasonable mind and not a mind that self idolises it's owned beliefs.
 

Gezellig

Member
The Bible in Living English, (Habakkuk 1:12): "
Are you not from of old, Jehovah? God of my devotion, you will not die. Jehovah, you established him for judgment and planted him as a rock for correction".
Can these words be attributed to Jesus if we assume that he is God?
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
The Bible in Living English, (Habakkuk 1:12): "
Are you not from of old, Jehovah? God of my devotion, you will not die. Jehovah, you established him for judgment and planted him as a rock for correction".
Can these words be attributed to Jesus if we assume that he is God?
There are no verses in the scripture bible that even imagines Jesus as God.

The Jews wrongly associated a Son as being EQUAL TO their Father.

Where did this association come from? I have searched the scriptures and can find no such example anywhere. Does anyone have an example of Jews claiming that a Son is equal to their Father???

And what if the Father has more than one Son. Are all these Sons equal to their Father?

Isn’t there evidence that the first born son is set to get around 65% of the Fathers wealth and the rest is distributed to the other sons?

So then, how is even the first born son EQUAL TO his Father when he only inherits a portion of the Fathers estate?

Armed with answers to these questions, we then ask: How were the Jews accusing Jesus of claiming to be EQUAL TO God?

Can it be understood in any way that a secondary person being ‘EQUAL TO’ a primary person MAKES that secondary person THE PRIMARY person.

But wait… Jesus responded to that fallacy by stating that GOD had called men of renown, ‘Gods’. Yet he, Jesus HAD ONLY SAID that God was his Father!

Did not ALL JEWS acknowledge GOD as their spiritual Father, also??:
  • ‘We have one Father alone, and that is God in Heaven’ (paraphrased: Matt 23:9)
Can it be believed that by calling God ‘our Father’, we are to be blaspheming and saying we ARE EQUAL TO GOD?

And what do you notice from an earlier event?? Trinitarians claim that Jesus WAS CLAIMING to be GOD…..!! The scenario in which the Jews asked Jesus if he was greater than their forefather, Abraham. Jesus’ response was to say, “Yes, I am greater than Abraham… Abraham foresaw my day and was glad!” (Paraphrased). Why? Because God had promised Abraham that the saviour messiah would come from his loins… This was a great honour to Abraham - for him to know that the GREATEST MAN ever to live WAS TO COME FROM HIS LINEAGE.

I could go into the definition of ‘BEFORE’ in regard to levels of honor, power, and authority, but everyone should be able to understand that ‘I AM’ is not the name of God (it’s the MEANING!!) and therefore is not appropriate to put in a sentence which is supposedly declaring a person. Afterall, the MEANING of Peter’s names is ‘The Rock’, but who goes around saying, “Hey, the rock, are you going fishing today!?”, or should we assume that Peter was actually Jesus Christ:
  • “and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.” (1 Cor 10:4)
Of course not… And no one - not even Trinitarians - would dare to replace ‘I Am’ with ‘YHWH’… because ‘I Am’ is simply not a person. Should the man burn blind also be called ‘God’ because he answered “I Am” when questioned about receiving his sight :
  • Jews ‘Are you the man …….?’
    Man: “I Am!!”
The reason the Jews wanted to stone Jesus was simply because he had said emphatically that he was greater than their revered forefather, Abraham. The Jews knew that if they were to allow Jesus to continue his claims there would be a riot which would attract the punishment of their Roman overlords. If they had truly believed Jesus was almighty God in the flesh they would glorify him but they and the disciples and apostles classed him as ‘A MAN’ and even ‘A man CONSECRATED BY GOD’.
What does it mean to be CONSECRATED?

And how does God consecrate himself??????
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
The memory of one man brother scientist by brothers historic.

The manifested life nature was first then man then woman..woman de manifested so did most men go back into the eternal.

Smaller man group were left in life on earth trapped by the garden nature so could not leave.

Invented science. Time shift light above and store it in earths crystalline base. Immaculate only heavens he said would then allow his release.

Totally theories the want an outcome. Origin science of man.

Converted earths atmosphere so animals not man then came back out of spirit then men then woman.

History on origin earth. All life then destroyed by science...satanisms pyramid. Artefacts in snap freeze fusion real.

Man's conscious spirit memory possessed by a belief he had spiritually converted into an animal bodily himself. Possesses memory.

Instead the eternal spirit had changed as earths heavens had changed. As man of science caused it to change.

Water on earth cooled.

Nature garden was released again. Seeing it had been earth decimated.
Dinosaurs instead. Died by regained earth star. Caused event origin man's science.

New dinosaur life re emerged. It died off again by gained star fall.

Ice changed earths heavens.

Nature body had survived. Lost its leaves not its roots.

Animals came out spirit. Cooled heavens supported old origin spirit life origin returns. Out of eternal body.
Then humans came out.

Pre owned living spirit body. Why we die in life as it was already a living spirit.

Out of the eternal spirit not in creation. Is exact to where we came from. By atmospheric changes cooling that contracts pushed against its body. Eternal form.

Eternal body lots of separate being instantly becomes a created creation by vibration change and not by how mass gained its history.

Emerged into the created state. We taught it was the eternal spirit beings owned karma for changing a pre existing supported life. So never study nor change the basis historical support.

We know we came direct from it. As the eternal itself a place that had always self existed not in created creation. Spirit as spirit.

So first scientists as a man in life on earth owned living with as the theist consciously owned a loss of a higher water mass originally.

The reason why he always survived and is not DNA eradicated like his innocent brother was.

If you ever questioned why does an evil minded human seem supported to achieve all the time.

Jesus of man causes was only voice image of man that bodily remained in cloud heavens and it did not go into the eternal.

In the image his mother who owned his man adult babies conception was forced to inherit. Seeing his new bio body conscious man chose science again.

So it's why females image voice got taken also.

The eternal is the eternal as the eternal was not gods owned. Gods heavens affected it. God the state is only on created creation.

Why spirit had been caused to be released as variations out of the eternal as the heavens was heating cooling contracting density.

By pulsing pushing as the heavens of god spirit bodies left the eternal. Walked out at the ground status. Why birds can walk.

No man is God. An exact teaching.

Jesus was just satanic volcanic cloud mass reheated in the heavens mass that then cooled to be renewed amassed clouds. Gods earths only title was not any man.

In the event of causes man scientist aware in science discussed his life gone in DNA. By causes of heavens gas mass body changing.

Meanwhile human life was sacrificed on the ground because science changed cloud cooling life support.

Father said in Moses incident only humans living in the mountains survived ground heated opening. As cloud mass descended over the mountain face keeping their bodies cooled.... humans on ground not protected died.

A higher loss of oxygen in that incident changed biology.

Why only a small natural human and animal population continued to exist after.....
like wild dogs cats as mountain animals goats sheep cattle and birds.

When birds were seen flying atop mountain peak was when it had ended. As the attack that had destroyed most of life on earth by men of science.

For men who think they can keep earths mass burning ground fusion opened by thesis as what he remembered about pyramid science of old.

As no man's belief is just believed as incidence had to of occurred for memory to know it occurred. Life however no longer lived on the ground. Just as said ground life by Moses event was eradicated.

Hence life eventually descended out of the mountain tops back to the ground. Where it had lived as biology surviving ground mass sealed removal.

Why the mountains faces fell to its feet as man tried to cause all mass to return to dusts. As his man thesis.

His claim ashes to ashes dust to dust. Known. Replacing of a resource by man's own inventive greed want. I remove I also want the resource returned.

As first machine first reaction is already an updated pyramid thesis control. Nuclear model.

Father also said if you want to keep earths mass opened at a heated loss buildings will begin to collapse. Man in penthouse rich man creator causer owner highest memory is about mans survival. As rich man scientist.

Is not living on a mountain today so needs to be reminded he's not safe.

Therefore Putin believes subconsciously by rich man scientist summation in AI that his idea is higher and more spiritual inclined than yours.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Jesus God?

Who told you, please?
Jesus never claimed to be Almighty-God, did he, please?
If yes, then kindly quote for the claim and the reason given from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah. Right?
Why should Jesus have made such a silly claim when the Jewish people were not waiting for a Messiah-god, never, as I understand, please? Right?

Regards
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
O science says the way a humans cell moves is an idea of why a human life exists in the cell position.

So if you put J back to back in O symbolic only. And SUS in cell idea. It would mean heavens would support cellular development.

Jesus not God but the idea man's life cell position was held intact stable by heavens proposition.

A healed returned heavens mass.

The asteroid wandering star cold passing exact as particle mass release to support light burning in sky above heavens earth.

As taught stable baby life depended on ices body remass balanced returned end year versus the sum...summer.

As healers are visionary medical psychic at times I saw nuclear life attack vision advice. Several times.

Only because human men designed why life got attacked so their minds knew the idea. Healer mind was told visionary advice.

How I learnt why the advice was psychic and not by machine use actually first.

Better advised logically than any machine use.

So men Idealised the concept Jesus in man's baby life cell owned earths held position of the returned advised holy life. Medical not occult machine scientific.

And said so as the medical claim. The healers. The healers founded the church building design resignation I typed resonations therapy. First medical terms by social rich man's support.

Exact only.

As humans do live inside of earths heavens as humans.

Above us is only sky.

Dependant on psyche reckoning of any Individual was the correct teaching.

Not reading from any book.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
I don't think there's any way to prove Jesus as God or not God with science. There are some people who are born so smart and so gifted they're intelligence defies explanation. Some stuff is not explainable, but that does not mean I believe that Jesus is God or was God or was raised from the dead. I think there was someone or a group of Messiahs the character Jesus represented who were super intelligent and healed a few people and maybe he did have some kind of connection to God that we don't have, the healings were maybe incredible.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is Jesus God?

Who told you, please?
Jesus never claimed to be Almighty-God, did he, please?
If yes, then kindly quote for the claim and the reason given from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah. Right?
Why should Jesus have made such a silly claim when the Jewish people were not waiting for a Messiah-god, never, as I understand, please? Right?

Regards
The Bible says so.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I'm interested in hearing thoughts about (1) Where this idea comes from and (2) If you agree with it and why/why not. I have heard it described like this: Because of the Trinity, Jesus is God, and all the things done in the Old Testament were therefore done by Jesus prior to his human incarnation. Thoughts?

I believe Jesus is God in the flesh. So it is a matter of identification not essence.

(1) I believe the idea comes form Isaiah and from Jesus.

(2) I believe I agree because Isaiah was a prophet of God and because God had to be present for miracle to occur and He would not support someone who would not tell the truth.

I believe Jesus is the term we use for the incarnation of God. That did not exist in the OT. What did exist in the OT was the Spirit of God which is in Jesus.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Is Jesus God?

Who told you, please?
Jesus never claimed to be Almighty-God, did he, please?
If yes, then kindly quote for the claim and the reason given from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah. Right?
Why should Jesus have made such a silly claim when the Jewish people were not waiting for a Messiah-god, never, as I understand, please? Right?

Regards

I believe the Spirit of God told me but not so much in words as in concept. A more full understanding of it came later as I read the Bible more.

I believe you are mistaken and misled. Jesus did make that claim.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me,

I believe Jesus made the claim because He always speaks the truth.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

I believe the lack of knowledge of the Jewish people is not evidence.

 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Was Jesus sent by God?

I believe so and I believe I can explain this for you. The Spirit of God entered Jesus at conception. It is a sending because it would not happen naturally. In fact every persons spirit is sent into a body by God.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I believe the Spirit of God told me but not so much in words as in concept. A more full understanding of it came later as I read the Bible more.

I believe you are mistaken and misled. Jesus did make that claim.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me,

I believe Jesus made the claim because He always speaks the truth.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

I believe the lack of knowledge of the Jewish people is not evidence.
" I believe "

Instead of telling us as to what one "believes" out of one's blind faith/belief , kindly focus on giving "exact claim of Jesus" and the "exact reason given by Jesus" himself, please. Right?

Regards
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
I believe so and I believe I can explain this for you. The Spirit of God entered Jesus at conception. It is a sending because it would not happen naturally. In fact every persons spirit is sent into a body by God.
So, if Jesus was sent by God (meaning a human spirit was made by God and put into the body of a human being : the egg in Mary) how then do you say that Jesus IS GOD?

Afterall, the act of a spirit entering a human body (an egg of a woman) and animating it as a human being, is all of human being … except Adam, the first man, which, in that case, was exactly the same as Jesus: the spirit put into the inanimate human body was directly from God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
" I believe "

Instead of telling us as to what one "believes" out of one's blind faith/belief , kindly focus on giving "exact claim of Jesus" and the "exact reason given by Jesus" himself, please. Right?

Regards

I believe I am sure of what I said.
 
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